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    Posted: 26 Aug 21 at 8:47am
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Originally posted by eric_c

Some people leave their 'home' club as students

Many if not most clubs have country, social or or distance type membership options which are typically much cheaper than even student memberships, don't allow sailing and don't require duties either but do provide the required chain of authority to comply with RRS.


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I don't think we disagree much.
Looking back, I wasted a lot of opportunities in my student years, blowing a few more hundred then would have made little difference in the long run and would have given me experience which cost a lot more later or I never got back to.
OTOH  180 quid would easily get swallowed elsewhere.

Some people leave their 'home' club as students because they are not there to do duties, clubs and circumstances vary. Some people don't sail much in their student years, a lot of other things to do.
I doubt there are many clubless student open meeting sailors out there though. Maybe one or two from euroland? Anyone care to point the finger at a real life example?

When it comes to the point of being bound by the rules, some people who've been members for 50 years seem to have more tendency to revert to colregs, Solo sailors shouting 'overtaking boat keep clear' springs to mind.

I don't think we do either.

As a Uni student at a uni that doesn't sail much/team racing isn't your thing the reduced student membership rate - at the right club - is probably the best value sailing you can get. Cant afford a boat? Crew for someone! If you're any good you'll quickly find your way into a good boat and could learn a lot. I wonder how many circuit sailors would club race more if they could get a better "club" crew (A vicious circle as so many now have solos as second boats - I know I do)
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Originally posted by eric_c

Some people leave their 'home' club as students

Many if not most clubs have country, social or or distance type membership options which are typically much cheaper than even student memberships, don't allow sailing and don't require duties either but do provide the required chain of authority to comply with RRS.
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Originally posted by eric_c

As for students being skint and going sailing, you make your choices about borrowing money, it's all debt these days unlike my cohort topping up their grant with a bit of debt to run cars, boats, motorbikes etc. Merely being 'skint' as in having zero money would be a luxury for those with a lot of negative money.

Not a bad argument.

But please tell me how £45 for an rya membership or £60max for a student membership at an actual club will make any odds. £180 over three years.
I don't think we disagree much.
Looking back, I wasted a lot of opportunities in my student years, blowing a few more hundred then would have made little difference in the long run and would have given me experience which cost a lot more later or I never got back to.
OTOH  180 quid would easily get swallowed elsewhere.

Some people leave their 'home' club as students because they are not there to do duties, clubs and circumstances vary. Some people don't sail much in their student years, a lot of other things to do.
I doubt there are many clubless student open meeting sailors out there though. Maybe one or two from euroland? Anyone care to point the finger at a real life example?

When it comes to the point of being bound by the rules, some people who've been members for 50 years seem to have more tendency to revert to colregs, Solo sailors shouting 'overtaking boat keep clear' springs to mind.
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Originally posted by eric_c

As for students being skint and going sailing, you make your choices about borrowing money, it's all debt these days unlike my cohort topping up their grant with a bit of debt to run cars, boats, motorbikes etc. Merely being 'skint' as in having zero money would be a luxury for those with a lot of negative money.

Not a bad argument.

But please tell me how £45 for an rya membership or £60max for a student membership at an actual club will make any odds. £180 over three years.
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Having said the above, the club I belong to adds enormous value to me and my sailing and social enjoyment and is the best club I have ever been a member of, so no reason for me not to keep my dues paid 😉
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After reading all the  reasons for belonging to a club, I am siding with the view that belonging to a club is a little out-dated. Fine if you want to, but equally fine if there is no benefit to doing so if all you do is the circuit  The NoR and SI's amendments can cater for abiding with the RRS. 

I remember back in the day of the Laser 2 circuit, with Delsey/Freisenet sponsorship, where round-the-circuit racing took part on many weekends, and belonging to my local club was, in reality, a waste of money as I didnt use the club or its facilities for much of the time.

I respect the views of others who think otherwiase, but those have not really given a convincing reason as to why to continue to belong to a club if it doesnt really benefit you.

Still, most DO belong to a club, so its not really an issue overall to get worked up about ;-)


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Isn't everyone in a Uni Sailing Club a 'block member' of an affiliated club, and a member of BUSA? I assume BUSA is affiliated to the RYA?   The only person I know who's sailed opens while not actually having a home club was 'between clubs' due to a house and job relocation. I've known at least one person enter as 'RYA' despite being a member of at least one club. There could be several reasons for that. Like it's short and unambiguous. You could get fed up with being attributed to the wrong BSC or something? People seem quite keen to read the worst nto other people's actions on zero evidence. As for students being skint and going sailing, you make your choices about borrowing money, it's all debt these days unlike my cohort topping up their grant with a bit of debt to run cars, boats, motorbikes etc. Merely being 'skint' as in having zero money would be a luxury for those with a lot of negative money.
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Originally posted by robin34024

Thats because they're obviously not members there.
They're highlighting an archaic and outdated requirement,

Being affiliated to the sport's governing body so that they have jurisdiction over you for rules purposes? If thats outdated lets field a rugby team at a football match.

Originally posted by robin34024 After all, what reason would someone who's at uni, skint, and only sails on the circuit have to join a sailing club?[/quote



Being skint, at uni and sailing on the circuit are mutually exclusive. If you cant afford to join a club you would probably struggle pay for transport.

And as for not needing to join a club, what would you do if all the clubs stopped running them because no-one from within attends the opens? I know many classes that have lost events due to that, especially at smaller clubs. Support for the sport begins at home.

As I say I dont particularly blame the people who do it, but I do regret that is is possible and deemed acceptable.


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