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    Posted: 20 Oct 21 at 8:46pm
As far as the rules go, if the conditions apply you are exonerated and you don't have to do anything about protesting. But there are a few other factors.

Firstly, another boat has broken a rule, and probably deserves to be penalized, but is very unlikely to take her turns if you don't hail protest.

Secondly, if you later decide it was a dick move and you want to take the other boat to the room, by not hailing protest you've given up that option.

Thirdly, by hailing protest, you're indicating to boats around you that you think another boat broke a rule, and that may deter them from protesting you for the mark touch.
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Whether you have hailed or not is theoretically immaterial. However if there is a protest, and it hangs on whether or not you were given room to get round the mark without contact, I imagine having hailed will do no harm at all.
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Does that mean that I don't have to hail "Protest" or would not doing so leave me open to being protested for not doing turns?
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Thanks Brass, I'd say that is a sensible revision and nice to know the guy who told me was right and I was wrong to doubt.
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You don't have a protest to withdraw until you deliver an allegation in writing to the race office (Definition: Protest).

Once you do deliver your written protest it requires the protest committee to allow it to be withdrawn (rule 63.1).

But you don't need to do anything about protesting if you don't want to.

When the conditions of rule 43.1 apply you are exonerated by the rule. You do not need a protest committee to exonerate you.   This was the whole point of changing "shall be exonerated" to "is exonerated" in the 2021 rewrite.

And rule 43.2 provides

A boat exonerated for breaking a rule need not take a penalty and shall not be penalized for breaking that rule.


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Just resurrecting this thread as I have a supplementary question. If you are forced Ito hitting a mark, inform of your intention to protest and don't do a 360 can you subsequently withdraw the protest?

Or can you be exonerated in the water (as was suggested to me after the event, I believe this to be wrong)?
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Lot of logic for having penalty 'stop sailing, sheet out' timed exoneration, 5 secs, 10 secs etc

The difficulty there, in most situations is who checks the 5 or 10 sec, and how loose the sheets are? It might work with judges around, but in normal use the the margins would get tested. Whereas a turn is a turn.

I remember a club race a few years back that coincided with rememberance day. The agreement was that we would all let our sheets go for the 1 min silence. As you may imagine different boats had some very different ideas of what 1 minute was!
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Originally posted by iGRF

Lot of logic for having penalty 'stop sailing, sheet out' timed exoneration, 5 secs, 10 secs etc, not that it would do much to hinder the tidal mark rounding scenario, the only justice for that remains re-round in my view, but hey, what do I know?

I'm not suggesting it as an alternative to 360/720 turns just as a way of allowing noob club racers a way of taking a penalty that wouldn't result in a certain capsize, and just while they are in the early stages of learning to race.

Where you are club racing in a big tide maybe a re-rounding penalty would be fair, not sure if the rules allow it but you could do it at club level if all could agree.

FWIW a re-rounding effectively involves one gybe and one tack and ends with the boat sailing in the same direction so doesn't it fulfil the requirements of Rule 44 as long as the boat doing the turn keeps clear of other boats?
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Rerounding was problematic with large crowded fleets and big boats.
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