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    Posted: 17 May 21 at 11:17pm
The only reason my Javelin needs Anderson bailers is to let out the water that the Anderson bailers let in.

They leak when closed and when they are supposed to be open close themselves at any boat speed sufficient to make them bail properly.  I have to sail with my foot on one to keep it open.

The overpriced "service kit" turned out to be one single neoprene seal, which was the one between the moving bit and the stationary bit.  IThe new seal doesn't seem to have stopped the leaks when it's closed and is no help at all in keeping it open.

It's enough to make you buy a sensible boat with a double skinned hull and a self draining cockpit (like my V3000).

The Jav is great fun in a strong wind on a 3 sail reach and fantastic on the sea though - so pesky bailers I'll have to live with.


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Thank you all for your thoughts, I will do some googling and measuring to figure out exactly what I have.
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Originally posted by Paramedic

My problem with fixing them - the external mount ones in particular - was that the service kit is horrendously, eye wateringly expensive. And success rate with them is poor. I'd rather bite the bullet with as guaranteed long lasting fix than spend half as much again on a service kit and a new bailer when the new seal gets destroyed refitting the chute.

It seems they have reduced the price for the New Large external mount bailer. But I still think the "right" fix in the long term is a new bailer.


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My problem with fixing them - the external mount ones in particular - was that the service kit is horrendously, eye wateringly expensive. And success rate with them is poor. I'd rather bite the bullet with as guaranteed long lasting fix than spend half as much again on a service kit and a new bailer when the new seal gets destroyed refitting the chute.

It seems they have reduced the price for the New Large external mount bailer. But I still think the "right" fix in the long term is a new bailer.


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OK, got a bit of time for a sensible answer now.

I have a lark with 2 floppy bailers, 2 different sizes.

After some research it became clear that there are not only several sizes, Mini, Maxi and sizes inbetween, there are also old and new designs as well as internal and externally fitted Adersen/Ronstan bailer.

Somewhere I found a website that had drawings c/w dimensions for the various types. I measured accuratelymy old bailer paying particular attention to the fixing hole centers. I identified my bailers

Rooster does service kits but unfortunately, not the right ones for me. Found premium ropes, a Dutch company I beleive (but could be wrong, it was a while ago). 

the kit comes with gaskets for hull/bailer seal and gaskets for bailer bailer chasis/chute seal. The last gasket there is a chunky affair so obviously needs compressing considerably, it is held in place by compression also.

After some searching I have found instructions for servicing bailers on the FF website. 

As for bailers being cheap enough to chuck away.....well, it's all relative I suppose but at £60-£70 quid a pop I'd have a go at servicing them.

FF link (copy and paste it)

https://www.flying15.org.uk/news/leaky-bailers

Thats' as far as I've got and probably won't go any further. 




Edited by Sussex Lad - 14 May 21 at 9:56pm
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I think the seals in question are the ones that seal the chute and main body of the bailer not the ones between the bailer and the hull.

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I think the seals in question are the ones that seal the chute and main body of the bailer not the ones between the bailer and the hull.
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I am not clear how replacing the seals fixes the friction issue ..... 
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It is internal fit, the document on the Rooster website makes it sound very simple, no riveting required:


I think I will have to bite the bullet and buy the repair kit and fit a new seal. Thanks.


Edited by GybeFunny - 14 May 21 at 8:34am
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