Andersen bailer service kit
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Topic: Andersen bailer service kit
Posted By: GybeFunny
Subject: Andersen bailer service kit
Date Posted: 13 May 21 at 8:55am
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I have an Andersen Self Bailer in my Streaker but the chute is very loose. I put the bailer down when its windy but when the boat moves at speed it pops back up again. I have never had such a loose bailer, they normally are very stiff and make a crunchy noise from the sand so I have never had this issue before on other boats. I have tried bending the sides of the chute outwards to create friction but this has just caused leaks (thankfully only when the bailer is down). Is there anything else I can do? I see you can buy service kits that include replacement rubber gaskets, is that likely to increase friction enough? What are the symptoms that the service kits are supposed to fix? Thanks.
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 13 May 21 at 10:47am
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Only used one to prevent leaks, have you got any abandoned boats you can take a working one out of? ------------- Robert |
Posted By: GybeFunny
Date Posted: 13 May 21 at 12:05pm
I am afraid not, I just wonder if a new gasket will also increase friction.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 13 May 21 at 3:25pm
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I suspect it will increase friction. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 13 May 21 at 5:29pm
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I always thought the lever mechanism held it open and closed? ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 13 May 21 at 6:29pm
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The lever holds it closed. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 13 May 21 at 7:20pm
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Got to be friction then, many times I have had to push it open with my finger. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: GybeFunny
Date Posted: 13 May 21 at 8:00pm
| Yes the lever holds it closed, it relies on friction to hold it open. |
Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 13 May 21 at 8:02pm
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Try Premiumropes for bailer service kits. Got some myself last year. A gasket for Hull/bailer interface and a gasket for the bailer chute/bailer body. If memory serves. https://www.premiumropes.com/ronstan-5741-service-kit-to-suit-ronstan-bailers |
Posted By: GybeFunny
Date Posted: 13 May 21 at 8:04pm
| Thank you, can I ask what symptom you were looking to cure with the kit? |
Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 13 May 21 at 8:09pm
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Bailer not staying open or closed. Very floppy. Again if memory serves. Premium Ropes are in Holland but mo problems buying them. |Adersen/Ronstan bailers......get the size and type right though. There's old and new and several sizes of bailer. |
Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 14 May 21 at 7:18am
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Is it an external fit? If so its exceptionally difficult to reassemble the bailer without knackering the horrendously expensive new neoprene seal. Just buy a new bailer. This type are not as expensive as the internal mount and the new seal is (or was) half the price of a bailer for a hollow rectangle of self adhesive neoprene - there must be an alternative but use not found one that works. If its internal fit there are four or six (depending on size) copper rivets that hold together the two flanges that house a large rubber seal. The hard part with this is re-riveting the flanges back together. Again I'd just buy a new bailer. These last for 40+ years. Sorry!
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Posted By: GybeFunny
Date Posted: 14 May 21 at 8:33am
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It is internal fit, the document on the Rooster website makes it sound very simple, no riveting required: https://roostersailingweb.s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/InformationSheets/bailers/Bailer%20Service%20Kit%20Installation%20-%20Inside%20Mounted%20v1.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://roostersailingweb.s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/InformationSheets/bailers/Bailer%20Service%20Kit%20Installation%20-%20Inside%20Mounted%20v1.pdf I think I will have to bite the bullet and buy the repair kit and fit a new seal. Thanks.
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Posted By: Chris_H
Date Posted: 14 May 21 at 9:01am
| I am not clear how replacing the seals fixes the friction issue ..... |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 14 May 21 at 9:04am
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I think the seals in question are the ones that seal the chute and main body of the bailer not the ones between the bailer and the hull. ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: Chris_H
Date Posted: 14 May 21 at 9:07am
Ah, see it now in pic 4.2 of the linky
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Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 14 May 21 at 9:34am
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OK, got a bit of time for a sensible answer now. I have a lark with 2 floppy bailers, 2 different sizes. After some research it became clear that there are not only several sizes, Mini, Maxi and sizes inbetween, there are also old and new designs as well as internal and externally fitted Adersen/Ronstan bailer. Somewhere I found a website that had drawings c/w dimensions for the various types. I measured accuratelymy old bailer paying particular attention to the fixing hole centers. I identified my bailers Rooster does service kits but unfortunately, not the right ones for me. Found premium ropes, a Dutch company I beleive (but could be wrong, it was a while ago). the kit comes with gaskets for hull/bailer seal and gaskets for bailer bailer chasis/chute seal. The last gasket there is a chunky affair so obviously needs compressing considerably, it is held in place by compression also. After some searching I have found instructions for servicing bailers on the FF website. As for bailers being cheap enough to chuck away.....well, it's all relative I suppose but at £60-£70 quid a pop I'd have a go at servicing them. FF link (copy and paste it) https://www.flying15.org.uk/news/leaky-bailers Thats' as far as I've got and probably won't go any further. |
Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 14 May 21 at 1:03pm
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My problem with fixing them - the external mount ones in particular - was that the service kit is horrendously, eye wateringly expensive. And success rate with them is poor. I'd rather bite the bullet with as guaranteed long lasting fix than spend half as much again on a service kit and a new bailer when the new seal gets destroyed refitting the chute.
It seems they have reduced the price for the New Large external mount bailer. But I still think the "right" fix in the long term is a new bailer.
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Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 14 May 21 at 1:36pm
Each to their own. I have on my desk a mug bought for me by my lovely Grand Children. It says on it "If Grand Dad can't fix it, no one can"...........I have a reputation to uphold. |
Posted By: GybeFunny
Date Posted: 14 May 21 at 2:40pm
| Thank you all for your thoughts, I will do some googling and measuring to figure out exactly what I have. |
Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 16 May 21 at 7:00am
Thats easy - tell them you polished it
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Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 17 May 21 at 11:17pm
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The only reason my Javelin needs Anderson bailers is to let out the water that the Anderson bailers let in. They leak when closed and when they are supposed to be open close themselves at any boat speed sufficient to make them bail properly. I have to sail with my foot on one to keep it open. The overpriced "service kit" turned out to be one single neoprene seal, which was the one between the moving bit and the stationary bit. IThe new seal doesn't seem to have stopped the leaks when it's closed and is no help at all in keeping it open. It's enough to make you buy a sensible boat with a double skinned hull and a self draining cockpit (like my V3000). The Jav is great fun in a strong wind on a 3 sail reach and fantastic on the sea though - so pesky bailers I'll have to live with. ------------- Javelin 558 Contender 2574 |