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    Posted: 06 Nov 20 at 10:03am
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Sailing Chandlery are selling LPE Lasers...
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http:////www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/19/irish-hunt-for-fungie-the-dolphin-put-on-hold-because-of-bad-weather

Looks like someone is using their Laser to say hello to a friendly dolphin. Way cool !


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Who is the intellectual rights holder of the Laser design? We know LPE own the trademark for the Laser name and sail insignia...


Designer Bruce Kirby sold the design rights to Global Sailing, a New Zealand company, which also owns PSA.

All the current ILCA builders pay royalties to Global Sailing

I thought that never completed and BKI were the ones who took LP to court?


ILCA website, August 25, 2020:-

"In addition to these fees, all builders will continue the ex gratis designer fee of $US50 per hull historically paid to Bruce Kirby Inc. This fee will now be paid to Global Sailing Ltd, which has purchased the assets of Bruce Kirby Inc."



A more recent development then, probably post court case of a couple of years back.
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I enjoy reading about the 'Laser' debacle, look forward to latest episode, I chuckled at ILCA shutting the TLC website down, it will make my year if World sailing recognise TLC.
I enjoy reading English common law too, probably why I enjoy this.
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Strange, I was racing against 3 Lasers today, and none of them cared less about any of this stuff.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cirrus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Oct 20 at 4:08pm
This is like hearing an old friends tale of their (extremely) dysfunctional divorce.  One that damages all parties involved, solves very little, pays the lawyers buckets of money and bores the sense and life out of anyone stupid enough to be a 'listening ear' for more than maybe one occasion.    You wish they would just get on with life and just stop trying to continually justify the inevitable case that 'they' were always the entirely innocent party....  and were all along and at every turn.  Dead 
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It's all very complicated. LPE broke contracts which required them to pay royalties. ILCA then changed the class rules so LPE weren't required to honour contracts. That was when ILCA president was Heini Wellman, one of the TLC leaders. There aren't really IP rights to the Laser designs as such, which is why replica sails etc exist. Instead it was all covered by a mesh of overlapping contracts. LPE got sued for breaking contracts and lost big time, but in the meantime LPE were more or less disbanded, and Laser building transferred to LP Llc.

The Laser trademark is currently owned by yet another company in the same sort of ownership, called Velum IIRC so even if the Laser builder(s) go bust, as I should think is inevitable for the lawsuit losing ex builder LPE, the Trademark won't be available.



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No, LP can't be ordered to pay anything to anyone or told to stop building Lasers, they in fact control Europe and UK, hence ILCA and UKLA have had to change name of boat.
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So, in theory, Global Sailing Ltd could refuse to let LPE build Lasers? Or refuse to let the ILCA build "the boat formerly known as Laser" should they so desire?
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