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    Posted: 25 Feb 19 at 9:46am
Originally posted by ifoxwell

Shortening the leach wont effect affect how the boat sails unduly but it will make it harder to find the sweet spot. Adjusting the sail in relation to the deck is the easy way of ensuring that you are sailing the same way on both tacks. Raising it up will make this much harder.

The most important lesson I learnt when I first got in a Europe is dont use the too much kicker, use the sheet and traveller. This way the bendy mast lifts the boom up and you get loads of room to move. Downwind you dont need so much any way and upwind you get all your tension from the main sheet. Offwind, or when its really windy you will need the kicker, but then just get in the habit of letting some off just before a maneuver.

Obviously you can still be to big for the boat but when you get used to letting the mast pick up the boom there really is plenty of space. 

Thanks for the tips. I will give it a go next time I'm out.
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Shortening the leach wont effect affect how the boat sails unduly but it will make it harder to find the sweet spot. Adjusting the sail in relation to the deck is the easy way of ensuring that you are sailing the same way on both tacks. Raising it up will make this much harder.

The most important lesson I learnt when I first got in a Europe is dont use the too much kicker, use the sheet and traveller. This way the bendy mast lifts the boom up and you get loads of room to move. Downwind you dont need so much any way and upwind you get all your tension from the main sheet. Offwind, or when its really windy you will need the kicker, but then just get in the habit of letting some off just before a maneuver.

Obviously you can still be to big for the boat but when you get used to letting the mast pick up the boom there really is plenty of space. 
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Originally posted by Rusty69

Originally posted by Bootscooter

Hub Rusty69, are you on Facebook? If so, have a look at the UK Europe Sailors page, for a great resource for questions like you have about a short-leach sail.
If you are convinced that selling the Europe is the way forward for you, drop me a message and I’ll send you a pro-forma, that once completed will allow me to match your boat up with one of the people we have looking to buy a Europe.

Cheers, Jon


Thanks Jon.

No, i am not on Facebook. Maybe time to sign up. I am just exploring options at the moment tbh. Are there many people looking for Europe dinghies. I got the impression when i bought mine a few years ago they weren't that popular.


Well they’ve never been a huge Class in the UK, but we’ve seen a considerable upsurge in interest and traffic through the Facebook page. We are currently trying to find under-used boats of all conditions for people that have made enquiries, and have got a pretty good programme of events lined up for this year, including the Nationals at WPNSA, Inlands (shared with the Finns) at Oxford and are planning more Training Days, the first being just before theNats, with an ex-Olympic Europe competitor coaching us!!!!
As you’ll know, Europe’s are (currently) extremely well priced, but with increased interest, participation, training racing and group road-trips to Continental European competitions, who can say how long that will last.
With the re-stucturing in the Assc that’s taken place, it’s planned that this year’s Dinghy Show will be the last one without a Europe Class stand - 2019 into 2020 is going to be big for growth and development!👍🏽😎🕺

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Back in the early 90s, I believe some fairly handy Contender sailors had sails with a shortened leach.
Didn't seem to do them any harm in the front half of the fleet.
But my limited knowledge of Europes is that there is a huge range of sail cuts and mast characteristics?
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Originally posted by Bootscooter

Hub Rusty69, are you on Facebook? If so, have a look at the UK Europe Sailors page, for a great resource for questions like you have about a short-leach sail.
If you are convinced that selling the Europe is the way forward for you, drop me a message and I’ll send you a pro-forma, that once completed will allow me to match your boat up with one of the people we have looking to buy a Europe.

Cheers, Jon


Thanks Jon.

No, i am not on Facebook. Maybe time to sign up. I am just exploring options at the moment tbh. Are there many people looking for Europe dinghies. I got the impression when i bought mine a few years ago they weren't that popular.

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Hub Rusty69, are you on Facebook? If so, have a look at the UK Europe Sailors page, for a great resource for questions like you have about a short-leach sail.
If you are convinced that selling the Europe is the way forward for you, drop me a message and I’ll send you a pro-forma, that once completed will allow me to match your boat up with one of the people we have looking to buy a Europe.

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Originally posted by Rupert

 

It's not about end plating, but about mast rake, bend and sheeting angles. I'm sure a proper Europe or Finn sailor can explain it better.

Possibly mast rake - but sheeting angle and mast bend can be set just the same without the boom needing to touch the deck, I think it just provides a repeatable point for a given rake.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 19 at 8:16pm
Lift the boom and shorten the sail by removing top triangle, turn it into a big head sail.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 19 at 8:05pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Rupert

Shortening the leech will affect how the boat sails upwind, as you will no longer be able to park the boom on the deck.

Cant see it making a lot of difference TBH. At the luff, sure, there's a buge pressure difference and end plating has a great big effect, but at the leech, where its already a mass of turbulence from the downward angled boom, I really would take a bit of convincing.


It's not about end plating, but about mast rake, bend and sheeting angles. I'm sure a proper Europe or Finn sailor can explain it better.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Old bloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 19 at 1:50pm
It depends on your definition of deep. There certainly arent any old ,bargin basement Aeros yet.
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