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Cirrus ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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,,,,,, I don't care. I trust that people are not cheating, and if anyone does, they are just spoiling it for themselves.
Exactly .... surely time to let the world move on. |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Nice post Eisvogel .
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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Eisvogel ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Dec 16 Location: Birmingham Online Status: Offline Posts: 135 |
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It all goes back to Paul Elvström's famous quote: "You haven't won the race, if in winning the race you have lost the respect of your competitors."
We're a mostly self-policing sport, and I for example wouldn't have a clue whether a N18 would sail any different if it was 50kg lighter or not, and frankly, I don't care. I trust that people are not cheating, and if anyone does, they are just spoiling it for themselves.
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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I would not have protested, nor objected, if the boat had not got a measurement certificate when they raced (the spirit of the rules is, feel, more important than the letter given that it did subsequently measure) but it was definitely breaking it's own class rules to race without a valid certificate. If anybody had protested it's hard to see how a PC could do anything other that disqualify the boat.
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PeterG ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 822 |
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The boat that competed in the SJ event so successfully hadn't been measured, though it has been now.
So we now know, apparently, that the boat was in class, but probably missing the documentation at the time? So it was a new boat hot out out of the moulds and the paperwork not fully complete. That is a legitimate issue, though no one saw it as significant enough to protest at the time. However, it would also appear that any suggestions that the boat was a cheat, in the sense of having a non class legal design or manufacturing advantage are unfounded. Case closed? And a class few have talked about for years has now had it's internet profile raised considerably!
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Cirrus ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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GRFi.... you really need to keep up. I worked
with several sub-contract builders over the years and always did but I have
not supplied new boats for more than a couple of years now as I recline into ‘retirement’....
I recall however you have even met with me on one occasion for lunch in
Brightlingsea to discuss various projects and ideas of yours. That was just one builder/supplier and from memory ... you had already fallen
out rather badly with our other (then) main sub-contractor without any help from
me !
The points being made to you by myself and others is that your nudge-nudge wink-wink
'web approach' is fundamentally misguided and the concept of a necessary protest
etc seems to have gone over your head.
If taken seriously it creates precedent that makes a joke of historical
and proven approaches. There is already standard method and procedure
for flushing out anything 'suspected' to do with racing. Would seem the
sensible point to have started from.... IF that failed at some level THEN
you might have had had something more tangible to squawk about. Might not be the most ‘juicy’story though I
guess.... It is very possible that the crew are totally ‘innocent’ of
your charges and the boat has always been within the measurements and
requirements of the class anyway. Would
they have known even if a CA certificate was still pending or required ?
Are you or is anyone else therefore
suggesting or insinuating that this boat
was NOT a regular N18 but was say carrying larger sails or was lighter etc? Generally demo boats are hardly ‘specials’ –
and rather more often are the opposite given the hard life they ‘enjoy’. For the record I don’t have any connection with the N18 class, have never sailed one and don’t currently know anyone who does ! But I am delighted to see that the class is benefitting from all the attention here – and good luck to them. Perhaps you should ask them for a demo yourself – with your collaborators perhaps. It would make a great follow up line.... still time to be at the next ‘Oxford Blue’ SJ event in a couple of weeks. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Trolls gotta troll.
What with some class rules requiring new certificates when boats change hands, people not bothering to get new sails officially measured until the next time they go to a championships, replica sails and all the other stuff I wouldn't be even mildly surprised if you told me more than half the dinghies racing in the country this weekend won't have current certificates. As long as it does measure I don't give a damn whether the next boat has a current certificate or not. And even if it doesn't measure (eg replica sails) I don't care so long as the race organisers are aware and OK with it (eg replica sails OK for handicap races if approved). |
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L123456 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 30 Apr 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 500 |
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But nothing has happened ... apart from you chucking a few accusations around on a forum ....
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Why, was the boat only measured because of a rant on here probably unread by builder, owner, and everyone else involved? Not planned, the boat was going to be used forever unmeasured? I think you might be overestimating your influence on the world of sailing.
You'd better find the documentation timeline, hack the emails of the builder, too uncover the truth. X files is a documentary, too. |
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