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    Posted: 16 Oct 17 at 3:31pm
Originally posted by ColPrice2002

Most outboard engines have a horizontal fin, just above the propeller.

With the engine off ( not idling!), It can be useful...

The other technique I've used is to get the victim/rescuee to hold on to side of the rescue boat, float one foot up to the gunwhale and rest it on top. Then you can roll the victim into the boat.
At all costs, avoid the direct lift approach for anyone over 12 years old.

My club also has a couple of Pioneer boats which can be used for rescue - simply stop the boat, drop the bow ramp and the rescuee can crawl up with a hand if needed.



rolling the boat to  assist with the life   especially  RHIBs  with a section of  tube deflated  is a viable solution as is where you have access to or are making a choice of a new solid hull boat for rescue / support duties picking a Pioneer  ( or  other such 'landing craft'  type  hulls )

as  has been mentioned rope ladder / foot hold  ... 

towing someone in the water does depend on distance and whether  the sailor is suitably clothed  for it as well as  the fitness and strength ofthe  none driving  rescue  crew member 
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But rule 1.2 doesn't limit the scope of the lifesaving equipment to just PFDs?  Maybe there's something in the call book?  

I assume a dinghy can carry flares and by extension, horse shoe life rings.  What about stability devices for safety purposes - prevention is better than cure n' all that... 

One final thought, if the moth hulls could be deployed as 'life rafts' would that constitute a safety device?  There's nothing which stops us 'streamlining' our PFDs to make them more performance orientated, so a life raft with reduced aero drag seems quite feasible... rules speaking anyway.  

As for the MPS class rules .... I will try to find a copy, but I'm fairly sure it's one of those 'if they don't say you can do, you can't do it' scenarios.     
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Thanks Brass... OK, so I'm going to write a hypothetical scenario for you, one which I would assume would utterly breach class rules, but would be there for my safety therefore complying to Rule 1.2:

Musto Skiff - racks fitted with outriggers (skinny moth style hulls for example)

What would be your interpretation from a purely RRS perspective?  I think we know what the class measurer would say....  
Sorry, I don't follow you.

Please quote the Class Rule that you think is in conflict with rule 1.2.

I think the application of rule 1.2 with respect to dinghies is that 'adequate life saving equipment ... ready for immediate use is the pfd worn by each crew.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by turnturtle

...but would be there for my safety therefore complying to Rule 1.2:

I think not only are you trying to get angels dancing on a pin, but your pin is on a different planet.


well for what it's worth, it's hypothetical... and only a natural extension of the thoughts around bladders built into moth trampolines.  But I take your point  LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 17 at 1:11pm
I have Epilepsy and always report this to whoever is in charge when I sail at another club, slightly off topic, but shows their are other issues facing safety boat, incidentally I have never been told I cannot race.
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This is never a problem in the class that dare not say it's name.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

...but would be there for my safety therefore complying to Rule 1.2:

I think not only are you trying to get angels dancing on a pin, but your pin is on a different planet.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 17 at 11:34am
Thanks Brass... OK, so I'm going to write a hypothetical scenario for you, one which I would assume would utterly breach class rules, but would be there for my safety therefore complying to Rule 1.2:

Musto Skiff - racks fitted with outriggers (skinny moth style hulls for example)

What would be your interpretation from a purely RRS perspective?  I think we know what the class measurer would say....  
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I've always been of the opinion the responsibility rests with the OOD and when it's my turn I'll black flag the whole thing rather than risk rescue boat crew even.

Dinghy sailors, love em as I do, are not the most competent of power boat handlers when it's tricky, so far better to keep everyone off the water.

And yes even if we are going out, the rescue boat crew can refuse to let you sail if they believe you will be an unnecessary complication to them providing cover to the main fleet. Twice this year I've counselled don't go, to folk who might have a problem.

Edited by iGRF - 16 Oct 17 at 11:08am
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This actually raises an important issue around who is responsible for the safety of the participants at a club (thinking more during club racing).

All rules put responsibility onto the sailor themselves as with the extract above. I have been in situations where I as Race Officer I have had to have discussions with the Safety Boat team to keep a close eye on x or y as they either may struggle in the conditions or more to the point may not appropriately dressed for the conditions (going out in t shirt and shorts on a cold and reasonably breezy day, despite us having a word with him, we ended up having to rescue him and sitting him in the galley with a warm brew and a silver blanket).

Were does the responsibility actually lie? 
As responsible adults, with experience (as everybody here has) so we have some responsibility to keep an eye out for the safety of our fellow sailors (novices/juniors) during club racing?

Is there anything which gives someone at the club (not just when on on duty, as novices do this too) the ability to say "you're not sailing today because of x or y"

At the moment it seems very reactionary, we will fish you out if you go in, where surely it should be about preventing incidents that don't need to happen?
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