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    Posted: 28 Sep 17 at 7:32am
All becoming very divisive.
David H recently warned RYA thinking was turning towards pre War elitism.
Presumably Foilers at top of tree, followed by?
What is considered to be elite classes?
Comet zero National champion already assigned to bottom.
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Blimey, anyone who wants to investigate the idea of revamping the National classes is now automatically an old fart, and just plain wrong? And people older than 30 have no right to discuss the future? Sounding like current politics.
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'Old farts' .. are not necessarily that old at all.  It is, if anything, an attitude that always suggests that 'times past' are of course the model to follow.. conveniently forgetting all the **** stuff that went with it.   They also often seek 'more control' and limitation as the solution to almost any problem.

Equally do remember there are plenty with more than a few miles on the clock are NOT 'Old farts' in their approach at all.. 
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Seems to me, the 20-35 age group at least has all come up through the youth system and know all about fleet racing, large events and all the rest of of it, together with training, coaching and technique way beyond what most of my generation ever experienced. So for people like me to tell them how to have fun sailing would be worse than pointless, it would be plain ridiculous. How can a sailor of say 25 possibly want or need guidance from me about what boats to sail or what kind of events to do? Hell most of them have done more major International events than I have!

TBH the thing I'd most like to know is how to get that generation more involved in running the sport 'cause its much more fun to sit back and reminisce about the wonderful way things used to be than it it is to try and second guess how they want things set up now. I know its a popular meme to say the old farts won't let go, but I reckon that's another one of those "everyone knows" things that is b****x. Go on under 30s, get involved in running your clubs. Put your names down for those elections. My only advice would be to keep a couple of the old b******s around so that you can learn what their mistakes were in order to avoid repeating them. But only a couple.

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Please have a look at http://www.rya.org.uk/racing/youth-junior/info/Pages/recognised-classes.aspx 

This sort of started my train of thought ... why do Junior classes get the benefit of guidance in class selection, whilst adult classes don't seem to get the same level of support.

Frankly, I should not really be concerned, I get to sail in a 15-20 boat one design fleet with my mates in a nice place every weekend and I suspect that this will carry on until my body gives up, but it is quite obvious that there is a huge gap behind for the 20 to 45 age group, so I suppose it is incumbent on us to think about how to develop the sport for the next generation.
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I've heard it all now, comparing a week ski-snowboarding with a regatta week? You can't get more chalk and cheese, one is fun and frivolity from start to finish the other is a competitive dirge with all manner of rule pitfalls and disciplines to follow or be binned.

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Originally posted by davidyacht


I don't know how you'd adapt competitive sailing to be like the one week a year ski holiday either but take the word competitive out of the comment and it might be doable, well, maybe for 4 or 5 weekends of the year.


I like to think of a Regatta or a National Championships in much the same vain as a boys week skiing holiday; socialising, eating and drinking centred around a consuming passion, enjoying the elements, with plenty to chat about at the end of the day.  

However the competitive element tends to have more dangerous consequences on the piste than it does on the water.

It is possible that a more festival type regatta would be more suited to equivalence with a Family ski trip ... maybe this should be focused on more by Regatta organisers ... i.e. drop the kids at ski school = drop the kids at the beach to have fun in Teras working toward an competitive event at the end of the week.

Exactly right. I've never done a ski week but presume sometime is spent skiing and the rest socialising / being with family / sightseeing etc.

As I've posted before, NW Norfolk Week provides all of this and I believe Salcombe Regatta does too.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 17 at 9:16pm
From the barely veiled condescending title to several "I'm so smart and clever" contributions this has been for me an overwhelmingly unpleasant read.

Obviously I now sail and race a minority class and another not so minority class primarily for the sheer pleasure of it.

However I sail / race most weekends 9 months a year and since taking up sailing in my 40s have introduced / trained five people to two person single wire dinghies; all remain sailing and three had been awarded best improvers.

I fail to see how my choice of non top five classes has adversely impacted on the popularity of sailing and racing.  







    
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Originally posted by sargesail

And we're kidding ourselves if we don't already think that the term "national championship" doesn't already reflect different things in different classes to different people.  At the risk of offending someone, it's widely recognised that there is a great difference between being Solo or Supernova NAtional Champion on the one hand, and on the other Comet Zero.

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