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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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While it is natural to focus on the hook & harness getting caught I wonder if this is borne out in terms of frequency compared to other tangles. After all the hook is a very simple thing, open ended, smooth and instinctively accessible. Tangles behind you are much more confusing and a simple half hitch of sheet could be a real problem around anywhere especially a lower limb where it is difficult to reach.
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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OK I was paraphrasing - allow / don't mandate. I'll go with the Sydney 18 footers league skippers view of things. For instance this article paints a picture of the situations where getting out of your kit is of the highest priority: |
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New York - (New Amsterdam) was a Dutch colony... I guess this will have influence on language etc...
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MikeBz ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 536 |
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They don't allow them or they don't mandate them? Back when I sailed 18s I wore a BA on the grounds that the chances of me being injured and unable to swim far outweighed the chances of me being trapped underwater. I still stand by that. But then I'm not an Antipodean macho man. To me it's all echoes of the old 'safer to not to wear a seat belt so that you're thrown clear' argument.
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Interestingly, it's from Dutch "vangen" (to catch) and was originally a line from the peak of a gaff to the mast or elsewhere to stabilise it (Gaff rigs are still very common in the Netherlands). No idea why the Americans then used it instead of kicker.
Of course, the German term is far more descriptive: "Baumniederholer" (boom down hauler).
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Gordon 1430 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 27 Jun 17 Location: Lee on Solent Online Status: Offline Posts: 310 |
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Many years ago I took all the foam out of the back of my BA to stop it snagging on the Kicker (note its kicker not vang nasty American word)
on a 505 when tacking facing aft. Thanks for the correction of my spelling, I knew you were all old and I thought your memories had just gone .
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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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I've actually got a magic marine one that is longer and too big for me. I think I was alluding to sailing gear in general. Its all aimed at those lithe young things.
I had a red Musto bubble sausage one for years. Very comfortable and never rode up. Didn't realise how many of the pockets had burst by the time I ditched it. Then had the over-sized magic marine one until that came off over my head at the 2006 Phantom nats at Lyme and I went back to it for the last 2 days. Then got a nice free Crewsaver one. Still rides up but is generally ok. Got a nice Phantom emblem on the back too. Looks great sailing the Finn
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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Sounds a bit like the windsurfing harness versus buoyancy aid dichotomy...... we were sometimes required to wear a BA but the harness was considered acceptable (a wetsuit was not) despite the move from 'chest harnesses' to 'seat harnesses' (still my favoured option). I suppose the reasoning is similar to the WW2 'May West' lifejacket RAF pilots were compelled too wear..... they did nothing to improve survival but 'made the bodies easier to recover'.....
edit :- Oh and yes, I'm old enough to both remember 'flotherchock' 'life jackets' and to have owned/worn one....... Edited by Sam.Spoons - 22 Aug 17 at 8:18pm |
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Wiclif ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Online Posts: 82 |
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Flotherchoc I think was the correct spelling, I think it was French.
Musto also made their version of it (as one of their versions) with detachable arms on it, so it did the job of a spray top too. There were also a couple of manufacturers (Piel and Typhoon among them from memory) who incorporated the buoyancy aid into a wetsuit, but they weren't very popular. It must be time for somebody to re-introduce the Musto longer style shaping? As well as being thinner the waist belt genuinely held the buoyancy aid in position. Today's high fit garments are too high for any belt to fit under the rib cage - no wonder they ride up. For Maxibuddah's interest, Pryde do their buoyancy aid in 3XL and up in sizing, although this isn't really any bigger than most companies XL |
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peterthomas ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 34 |
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I think I am going to assume that Matt was confused.
This is how it looks to me:
If I wear my BA over my current harness I can't reach the nice big harness catch and even if I could, I would have to remove the BA before I could get out of the harness. With the Integra version I can extract myself from both (because they are one and the same) by releasing one catch. This sounds like an improvement to me |
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