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    Posted: 11 May 17 at 8:03pm

1 boat length to the windward mark the pole goes out

as you bear away the crew jumps in and pulls the kite up

as long as there isn't a period of nothing happening then i would say its total justifiable
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Hornet

BTW - pulling your pole out before windward mark rounding is against class rules!  

I don't see that in the class rules unless I am missing something.

1.1      The sprit shall be retracted so that it’s forward end is within 400mm of the forward most point of the hull at all times other than when the spinnaker is set or in the act of being set or recovered

So the issue would be can you legally claim to be in the act of setting the kite while still heading upwind?
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Originally posted by Hornet

BTW - pulling your pole out before windward mark rounding is against class rules!  

I don't see that in the class rules unless I am missing something.
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You will have to tie a line to the end of the tack line and pull the tack line from the pole (you may have to cut the outboard knot off), you will also have to take the end cap off and cut the inboard knot off and then pull it from the pulley and scrap and replace the line as you won't be able to undo it.Keep the end that you cut off, push the new line through the pulley now measure where the knots were or Leave extra length after the knot and tape it to your slave line and pull back through the pole and replace your end cap Tie a figure of eight aprox where you think and try the kite. If the kite doesn't go into chute fully you need to move the outboard knot closer to the kite, if the pole doesn't retract fully move the knot closer to the pole.

BTW - pulling your pole out before windward mark rounding is against class rules!  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote laser193713 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 17 at 4:07pm
I actually quite like the twin string system. The only issue is this tack line, I'm not sure how the previous owners put up with it for so long! If I'm honest, I haven't spent too much time with my head under the foredeck, it all seems to work at the moment, which probably means I should take a look so that when it breaks I know how to put it all back together!
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I've heard various opinions of why the one string systems don't work very well on 400's, but I think most people who actually sail 400s concede the two strings are better in reality on a 400.
Yes, we know the one string system on 800s and other boats work fine. That's irrelevant.
The 400 with one string pole can ocassionally throw the pole too far forwards, letting the wing wang lines fall off the inboard end. This can ruin your day.
You can prevent this with another bit of string, but this can tangle apparently.

It's possible people have sorted this on the very newest boats, if so I'd be pleased to hear about it.
But I'd ignore random anecdotes about what works on other classes!
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I've always used a one string system.  A healthy stream of well intentioned abuse from the helm helped get the sticky kite up on our old cherub  Tongue

I agree that with JimC on two string on trapeze boats is probably not a great idea.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 17 at 8:44pm
Never happened to me on a 400 on a lake. 'tis only a baby kite and a baby pole.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Oatsandbeans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 17 at 7:49pm
Doesn't the spinaker fall in the water if you pull the pole out fully before the mark?
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On a trapeze boat I prefer one string systems, because if you've got to rush into the boat and do everything at once it had better be one string. But on a lower powered sit out boat like the 400 its often possible to get the pole out as you approach the mark, leaving you with probably two heaves less rope to get the kite up, which ought to make for a faster hoist. So on slower boats and especially inland there's a good case to consider a separate line for the pole.

Edited by JimC - 10 May 17 at 7:13pm
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