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    Posted: 29 Apr 17 at 12:11pm
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Originally posted by Rupert

Clubs can tweak the system to suit their needs. For kids, we use the Stages as a framework. For adults, it is trickier, as they tend to have limited time, so a weekend per course tends to be what works. However, if a club wants to integrate new sailors, more support needs to be offered by the club and its members. The RYA can only be a small part of that.

Do I think the RYA could change its priorities a little? Yes. But I'm sure all members feel that way.

We run our Cadet Week which is a mix of doing the RYA stages combined with fun activities (sailing games, free sailing, bit of racing). It works pretty well and when you get a group of kids together they really drive each other on.


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Originally posted by Chris 249

Oh, I wasn't trying to say that anyone SHOULD necessarily create a pressure group; just that such a group working within the RYA may be a more efficient way to address any issues than leaving the RYA to form a new group. Apologies for any confusion.



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Oh, I wasn't trying to say that anyone SHOULD necessarily create a pressure group; just that such a group working within the RYA may be a more efficient way to address any issues than leaving the RYA to form a new group. Apologies for any confusion.




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Originally posted by turnturtle

 

Where there is a viable point, is that parents give up their own sailing in order to facilitate the travelling to these events- this means that the clubs are depleted with teenagers and folks of their parents age who would otherwise be participating as more of a family activity and make the social back bone of a 'club' more complete. 

I guess this is why you get the polarisation at some clubs of young children learning the basics and empty nesters in the old man classes.... this makes them pretty soulless places to hang out for the non-sailing other half.  That said, I fail to see this aspect of club life being the RYA's fault or responsibility.



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I would hope RYA are keeping a watching brief on sailing forums,they must then know what people are disappointed about, they should be pleased with poll.
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Honestly I doubt folks with that mental geometry would stick with it anyway.  

If they found it all too hard not making the grade amongst their own peer group in youth sailing, then I really wouldn't be surprised if they'd have left club racing anyway.  Frustrated with the realities that they are maybe sailing a boat with an unfavourable handicap for their local club, or that they couldn't afford the latest and greatest new 25k Moth or that actually some 'old codger' in a Merlin is still a better sailor than they'd ever be.... experience still counts!

This 'spat out the system' argument just doesn't make sense- it assumes that club sailing would have otherwise been exciting and rewarding enough to ensure a life long engagement with sailing at this level.  I just don't buy that I'm afraid.  

Where there is a viable point, is that parents give up their own sailing in order to facilitate the travelling to these events- this means that the clubs are depleted with teenagers and folks of their parents age who would otherwise be participating as more of a family activity and make the social back bone of a 'club' more complete. 

I guess this is why you get the polarisation at some clubs of young children learning the basics and empty nesters in the old man classes.... this makes them pretty soulless places to hang out for the non-sailing other half.  That said, I fail to see this aspect of club life being the RYA's fault or responsibility.




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Posts: 3401 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Apr 17 at 11:49am
The problem is not with the few who "go off and follow their dreams for a few years...." but the ones who are lost to sailing because they didn't 'make the grade' and, more importantly, weren't guided onto another path.

But, I agree with many of your points and if we were to go with Chris' suggestion we would need a very clear idea of what we wanted to achieve.


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Whilst I agree with your approach, I simply cannot see the case here.

A joint plea about what exactly?  I can't see anyone with a genuinely vested interest in the UK dinghy scene actually standing up and saying 'boo!' to the Olympic programme..... there's too much shared glory at stake. 

Secondly, as the stats on this very poll show, the level of disgruntlement is actually very, very low - and it would be significantly lower if the poll were conducted via a wider medium of non-forum dwelling recreational sailors and racers.

I guess most of us assume the RYA isn't going to be perfect, it represents several groups of the wider boating community and to be honest, probably doesn't want too much engagement from it at club level anyway.  My own specific feeling is that I prefer an independent body like the RYA than a Whitehall department for the wider issues such as maintaining accessibility to water to sail on.  

So a few kids go off and follow their dreams for a few years.... making friends for life, travel around a bit and spread their horizons beyond their GCSE coursework and which Kardashian posted last on Twitter.  That's possibly at the sacrifice of finding adult club racing a bit dull upon their return.... but let's be honest, SFW, they're probably right to have other priorities in their twenties anyway and quite honestly, they've got a point- it can be dull and formulaic, I'm not entirely convinced that's the RYA's fault really!!! 
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What about a semi-formal pressure group from within the RYA membership? If the groundswell of resentment is strong enough, wouldn't someone be able to contact a bunch of class associations and clubs and get them to join a lobby group that could present formal joint positions to the RYA for their consideration?  I organised something similar once in windsurfing and the International Windsurfing Association jumped pretty quickly to change their position once someone leaked a draft letter of complaint from several national association presidents. We didn't even have to actually go as far as presenting the letter to drive our point home.

I've got half a mind to organise something similar down here. It's a low-overhead way of proving to organisations that many of their members are narked, and it puts them on notice in a way that organisations find hard to ignore. If the presidents of (say) HISC, QMSC etc and the Solo, RS, Ent, Firefly and other classes started making a formal joint plea to the RYA surely there would be some action?


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A bit like the windsurfing industry did by killing Raceboards in favour of FW? Thankfully Starboard saw sense and started marketing a Raceboard again that you could race in all conditions rather than sitting on the beach 4 events out of five waiting for the wind........
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