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zippyRN ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437 |
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in a mixed fleet where you know to a degree the competitors you can have a plan to take account of that ... there is precisiely no point in trying to start immediately to windward of something like a national 12 or merlin that is known for it;s ability to point and keep going ...
but if you can outpoint someone else let them start to windward of you as long as you can get outthe trap in a timely manner they will soon find thems squeezed out ... |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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Sounds like ET's mode switching from 'fast sailing' mode to 'machine minding' mode and back. The former being 100% concentration on boat speed, the latter being 'automatic helming' losing maybe 5% while you to look around and make choices?
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zippyRN ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437 |
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and books like Twiname or various other texts that have stood the test of time are still useful , as they get tweaked and edited to take account of rule changes but the basics haven't changed 'perfect is the enemy of good' is something to remember when talking about performing a skill ... you have to reach a point where perfect delivery of a particualr part of the skill become counter productive in that is distracts from other things.
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Oinks ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 24 Oct 14 Location: Bandol Online Status: Offline Posts: 267 |
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This is Racing by Richard Creagh-Osborne was a great book. Covered all aspects of a sailboat race, easy to digest and good (for the time) graphics.
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zippyRN ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437 |
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when short membry syndrome strikes peopel forget the boats that either didn;t sell or lost out in a competition ( Parker 404 anyone or any of the other designs that lost out to the 405 in the mid90s 'intermediate' youth double hander trials) |
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AlanH ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 17 Apr 10 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 84 |
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Agree on Sail to Win being a great book, which has been re issued recently. Another one which I liked a lot when I read it in 70s was Ian Proctor- Sailing Strategy- Wind and Current. Its also been re issued- has anyone read it and what do you think of it?
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Agree on reading everything, especially start to win. Twiname's early death was a huge loss to the sport.
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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See, I knew it iGRF, you can talk some sense sometimes if you really want to.
![]() BTW. I'm with you on the tide on the lee bow thing, whatever the maths says it does work, well it does for me when I employ it and the others don't and it ain't superior skill because at least half are faster than me.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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My initial advice is read anything and everything, I once ploughed through some three inch thick tome called Advanced Racing Tactics it was more about offshore stuff and rhumb lines and the like and like that other book the offshoret**t wrote debunking lee bow, it was full of irrelevancies and inaccuracies to the sort of inshore tactical stuff we have to deal with, but in order to know that, you have to have experienced all manner of sailing venues, I was lucky enough to do that in my late twenties and early thirties in the quest for windsurf fame and fortune. I was also lucky enough to know Eric Twiname, in fact I kind of knew him before I knew who he actually was or indeed read STW which I still occasionally return to and check out the boaty bits. He ran a magazine and got me to write stuff in it, stuff that turned out to be ultra controversial (I advocated pumping or you'd lose, which was true, but you were not supposed to mention it.) The thing was, it was all very well moaning about others doing it, but overseas nobody applied the rules, so unless you knew what to do, a)You wouldn't know others were doing it to you (Like rocking, ooching and myriad stuff you lot all do but pretend you don't or deny it) and b)You'd never compete on a fair playing field, so we all learned, tried not to do it on home waters and used it to advantage overseas. So my advice is copy everything you see and don't be afraid of mixing it with everyone, oh and shout back if shouted at I always find adds spice to a race. (Sometimes asking them what's wrong with their sail, they love worrying about that).
Sailing is full of hypocrisy, it's also full of bullys, always has been, so knowing the wrinkles is so important and the only way you'll ever know is to travel and try to punch above your weight in arenas you might think were out of your league, so on your return to home water, it'll all seem so much tamer. The knowing how to actually do everything, how to make the boat go fast without thinking about it, whilst you look about you looking for 'angles', that comes by practise, observation and questioning, never be afraid to just ask wtf they were doing that made them so far ahead of you, some of them will tell you. However two fundamental things would help most folk, one is getting a better start than they do when they're new and the other is to work out the percentages and to always take the tack that's taking them closest to the mark. I do try and tell folk, but I'm such a hopeless sailor and must look so crap I think they honestly believe when I do get in front it's only luck and they're having a bad race themselves, but hey who cares, somebody has to people the middle and back or there would be no one to beat as long as the front changes around a bit and the same few don't always keep winning then everything's cool. My three happorth sorry it dragged on a bit. Edited by iGRF - 10 Feb 17 at 5:02pm |
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