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    Posted: 16 Feb 17 at 3:32pm
participation up 33% across the board at Draycote apparently ... Thumbs Up
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At my club:  Sunday racing massively down.  Wednesday evenings massively up. Open attendance down in double handers, but not in single handers (depending on current fashion).

General non-racing sailing much the same.

People don't want to devote a whole day to it, probably don't want to split up the weekend too much either. 


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So word has it the RYA are worried, (seriously worried) that participation might be also down at club racing level, not something I'm experiencing round here, it's pretty much static to improving if anything. How's things at your club participation wise?
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Originally posted by Do Different

Thumbs Up In addition to RYA courses we also run monthly coaching. Only a small club so not able to muster viable fleet coaching but do cater flexibly for whoever turns up both junior and adults and people do seem to enjoy it. 

spot on , as  coaching can take so many forms and depends on the people and boats available 

 skills and drills can be done   'alone' - does the current instructor handbook still have the 21  boat handling / racing skills exercises  listed along with  two -boat tuning  - a good number of them can be done  solo or  just with oversight   - this  is the 'barre work'   to pinch  term from ballet. 

if you have two boats of the same class   you can start doing some two boat tuning  and so on ... 
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by Rupert

I'd prefer education over testing for my kids, but growing up going to a south London comp in the 70s, I'm not sure either was very well done. Seems better now than then.

Totally agree, when testing gets in the way of education something is going wrong. Maybe the problem with 1980s comprehensives was that they were trying a 'one size fits all' system that did nobody any favours. Education has to be tailored to the individual's abilities, it's no good teaching quantum mechanics to a student who's natural ability leans towards making beautiful furniture (or boats......) with their hands or visa versa. Testing should be used to find out what talents a student has and help them to realise their potential rather than brand them as success or failure.


which is why the best comps  were 'stealth trilaterals' and used setting and streaming intelligently.

One of the biggest problems education faces is the reverse snobbery of some people over education and  various activities  ( we'll not even  open the tray of tins of worms that labels activities as 'girls activities ' and 'boys activities ' and how oddly arbitrary  that distinction is made  ) ...   
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Originally posted by Rupert

Just making sure a beginner uses the top 6" of mast will transform his or her sailing. Not only will the boat sail better, but the boom will be higher, so head bumps lessen. Add in the idea that the job luff should also be straight, not sagging, and that he mast shouldn't be leaning forwards, and that is probably enough for someone learning to steer and tack.
 

exactly , for some reason 21ft 2in keeps popping into my head   with this discussion  - it's the  'standard'  mast rake for  Ents  and has been for  25 or so years  https://www.sailboats.co.uk/media/datasheets/enterprise_tuning_guide.pdf


If it is a club boat, I'd expect someone in the club to ensure that controls actually work, even if very simple. If a private boat, then help from a kindly soul at the right moment is often appreciated, so long as done in a straightforward, non blinding by science way.
 

making sure that you can get  your 21ft 2 and 18ft 6  and 400lbs ( substitute  relevant figures for whatever class )  is  the baseline 

it is amazing how much harder work it is to sail a boat that is poorly set up from basics like  that  ( weather  helm  or even lee helm ,  won't point  .... ) all to do with the centres of effort / resistance.  
 
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This is something that really helps people who have just started racing. Tact can be needed, though, when all you really want to say is "throw it away and get something that works". Even with an old clunker, though, there are free or cheap ways to make it sail better.[/QUOTE]

true  ,  optimise what you have  but sometimes with sails in particualr   they are so shagged out   putting it down  is the best option 

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Thumbs Up In addition to RYA courses we also run monthly coaching. Only a small club so not able to muster viable fleet coaching but do cater flexibly for whoever turns up both junior and adults and people do seem to enjoy it. 
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Originally posted by Rupert

Of course, none of the above will make the blindest bit of difference to getting people into sailing as a sport, not a pass time. But ensuring students enjoy coaching sessions and are enthused by them, will.


Well said and 1000% correct. And even if the back of the fleet remain there, at least in-club coaching makes them feel that they are valued members of the fleet who can have more fun sailing.
We had a lot of success growing fleets where we'd just say "we'll do some coaching in three weeks time if anyone is interested" and the only payment ever accepted was a bottle of wine. Informal but effective. 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Feb 17 at 10:12am
Maybe simply people; we are all continuously learning, albeit at different stages so why catergorise into different groups.

Full respect for running courses, hats off to you; I've taken several people to confident three sail one wire crews and best improvers but never taken on group responsibility.

I agree it is very difficult to separate cause and effect. Filling a demand or creating a perceived requirement for certificates.  As Clubs become accustomed to RYA financial assistance there is a pressure achieve numbers on courses and other benchmarks. 
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