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    Posted: 25 Jan 17 at 6:03pm
That's probably right, fun times indeed. Only 10% of the windsurfing club I was a member of for best part of 25 years (and chairman of for 13 of those) raced. Despite that we did produce two olympic hopefuls (both training partners of the sailors who did go on to make it to the Olympics), one 'nearly pro' wave/freestyle sailor, a Raceboard World and multiple National Champion (and a kitesurfing Masters National Champion, though I'm not sure I should add that). Racing declined and stopped at that club as a consequence of FW becoming the new game in town.
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Boardsailing also just plain old went out of fashion.
It became something that 30-somethings did and the 20-somethings went and did other things instead.
Most people I knew who were very keen to spend all their cash on boards in the late 80s and early 90s were not at all interested in racing or competitions. For most of the board buying public it never was anything like dinghy racing. The board racing club at Southsea were seen as a weird minority by most of the youngish single blokes with boards on the roof of their car at the place I worked. (Not far from Hayling.) A windy afternoon would cause half the blokes in the office to take a half day holiday, then come in the day after talking bollux about how monstrous it was.  Fun times.
It partly just burned itself out as people got competent, got bored of simply sailing around aimlessly and only wanted to go out in progressively more wind.
At its peak, it was nothing like dinghy racing for 90% of the participants. More like skiing perhaps, except most people have their skiing rationed and never get enough to get bored of it?
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And raceboards are experiencing a bit of a resurgence too (though they'll never achieve pre FW levels). I was pumping around courses on typical regional inland events into my mid 50's and didn't stop because of the pumping but due to personal circumstance changing. There are still pockets of 7.5 RB with reasonable club racing up here in the NW, (I would not be racing 9.5 RB, far too much like hard work). I'm definitely not advocating unlimited dynamics in dinghies though (but I'm now in my mid 60s and have lost some fitness in the intervening years......).

I do agree that the UKBSA/IYRU shot the sport in the foot several times over the years and I was never a fan of the RYA when it came to their windsurfing policy. 


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I think the Finns are ok, with over 300 boats at the masters worlds last year and over 200 boats at the worlds in 2015...
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The 'board racing' segment effectively killed itself way back at a peak of success - aided by UKBSA, the board 'press' and a manufacturing oriented elite who constantly changed what passed as the sport - It had very little at all to do with the existing sailing clubs who generally rather appreciated the additional income -  despite the urban myth circulated that most clubs not being interested in boards.

Well its had its chance and its day is now long past.   The ambiance is as close to surfing as it is to dinghy sailing today - constantly bemoaning the conditions which of course are not always 'ideal' if ever.  Around 1990 the sport elite pushed through 'unlimited' pumping .... possibly the one thing most certain to drive many of the ex-dinghy sailors back to their roots.   'Air rowing' was not that popular and anyone over 30 unless a truly elite sportsperson would/could never compete again - and singularly unpleasant it was too   (Finns - be warned - its Pandora’s box). 

Mass participation in board racing died ... too easily done and encouraged by those who should have known better  - but did not.

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Originally posted by JimC

The chain restaurants haven't put the independents out of business. 'Twas the customers who went to them who did that.

fair point - but these things tend go with notions of critical mass and quite often, some chain restaurants aren't playing on a level playing field... e.g. corporation tax, business rate relief, franchising and licensing etc  It's as if, someone like a World Restaurant Council, decided to promote just 5 different restaurants- awarding the best diners with gold, silver and bronze lollies for clearing their plates quickly; knowing full well most of us could only afford one option.... it kills the indies.  

I've seen Demolition Man, I really don't fancy only eating out at Taco Bell in the future. 




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In the UK the biggest fleet is now Techno's with 49 achieving a ranking in 2016 followed by 34 Raceboards. Only 7 RSXs and 7 FW completed enough events to get a result. I won't say "I told you so" 15+ years ago  Evil Smile
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Windsurfing still has big classes, they just don't sail on your ponds, and here in the UK they lost interest in the RYA and getting dubious service from racing at sailing clubs so went UDI. It is only this country that killed windsurfing at club level, it's still alive and very well in Holland, Sweden had a resurgence with the Kona Class, the Techno class has huge fleets in France and the RSX Globally is still working.

Windsurfers,rather like myself, do have a 'thing' about authoritarianism, OK you lot live with it and let yourself be serfs to RYA authority, let yourself get hauled up before the disciplinary committee for sailing 'too fast' through the moorings, let your kids get abused at squad training. That's fine, your choice, mine now I'm old enough to tolerate the predictability of dinghy world stupidity, but it won't stop me trying to open your eyes to when you're being 'worked' over.

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Originally posted by Cirrus

Just look at what 'they' managed in such a short period with board racing.   Against all odds they snatched 'fast decline' from the jaws of  'wild success' as quick as something very quick....   They are probably still wondering what went so wrong - well they would I guess.

I have only two words to say about the decline of Windsurf racing "Formula Windsurfing" a blind alley if ever there was one......
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cirrus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 17 at 2:46pm
Twas the customers who went to them who did that.

Exactly ... you makes your choice and .....   Moaning rights don't always come as easily afterwards !

But then I can't totally agree with Jim - the SMOD movement started way back with the Mirror and Laser and to a lesser extent later on with the Topper - were these classes the thin edge of the wedge as well ?   I'd argue as readily that these classes and later still the RS ones maintained dinghy racing at affordable mass market levels...  Want an example ? .... it perhaps needed the ISO etc to keep the Fireball 'honest' surely (ie to exert downward pressure to remain affordable as an overall package)...  If you don't have these competitive and market influences this sport can get to be run by a small racing fanatic elite - who always tend to want 'better' kit as well as telling the rest of us what WE should be doing. 

Just look at what 'they' managed in such a short period with board racing.   Against all odds they snatched 'fast decline' from the jaws of  'wild success' as quick as something very quick....   They are probably still wondering what went so wrong - well they would I guess. 

Real choice in most markets can be crude and result in some unforeseen outcomes (or ones YOU simply don't like).... the alternatives are however generally far worse.  We have plenty of choice in dinghy sailing and classes for just about every type of sailor and personality.  Enjoy.


Edited by Cirrus - 25 Jan 17 at 2:53pm
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