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    Posted: 04 Dec 16 at 11:30pm
Originally posted by JimC

I think what makes a good boat is really fairly readily definable -

A good boat is one that makes you want to get out of a warm bed on a cold morning to go sailing.

The actual list of characteristics that make for that are going to be different for everyone, and why not?

Not had to put that to the test, as our Laser racing is Afternoons and evenings!
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I guess I'd say a 'good boat' and a 'good class' may be different things  but, in all ways that matter, JimC has hit the nail squarely on the head.
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Why not indeed, absolutely.  Beer 
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I think what makes a good boat is really fairly readily definable -

A good boat is one that makes you want to get out of a warm bed on a cold morning to go sailing.

The actual list of characteristics that make for that are going to be different for everyone, and why not?
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I know you read the rest of my post getafix - so you know exactly what I meant. For some people, you clearly, your list is most important. For lots of others you miss out the most important factor of them all. I recognise that different people have different views on what makes a good boat - you apparently don't.
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Originally posted by getafix

Originally posted by PeterG

It also depends on what you regard as making a "good boat"...


oh, you know, the half dozen alternatives already listed in this thread with <better> sorted foils, better <actually adjustable> rigs, lighter hulls, more modern materials, nicer longer-lasting sails... that kind of stuff Wink

Better boats almost certainly but in terms of one design racing you are unlikely to beat the Laser.

There are those of us who had enough though and are trying (and enjoying) something different. Were is not for the D-Zero I would have stopped sailing by now (aside from taking my kids out).
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Originally posted by PeterG

It also depends on what you regard as making a "good boat"...


oh, you know, the half dozen alternatives already listed in this thread with <better> sorted foils, better <actually adjustable> rigs, lighter hulls, more modern materials, nicer longer-lasting sails... that kind of stuff Wink
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And nowt wrong with that, the different alternatives are one of the things than make sailing such a great sport.

In my case though, last year I was looking to buy a singlehander and had a sail in a borrowed Laser, I'm very glad I didn't just go ahead and buy one as my brief sail reminded me why I sold the last one and took up windsurfing instead.....

Interestingly the Solo is the only other boat with 5 figure race numbers in the 2016 PY returns (Laser's 21k to 13k for the Solo, add in 4.7 and Radial and the Laser Std family has around 30k). Nothing else gets much over 5k (only Phantom at 5.5k). But there are lots of boats which offer great fleet racing at a local level, if I was that keen on fleet racing I'd chose a club that sailed a boat I enjoyed sailing.



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It also depends on what you regard as making a "good boat". People will have different views about what matters, What matters to me and many others, probably above all else, is the quality and availability of good fleet racing. If I can race like for like with a decent number of like minded others that's what I'm looking for. Issues about rudders, 60's designs, no halyard or whatever really don't matter much against that for me. Clearly there are many here who are happy to put up with the irritations of handicap racing and worry much more about the details of the boat, but I suspect that it will be a very long time before any other class can offer the depth of class racing around the country at around the £1000 mark. We will have lots more rants in the meantime, but people will go on buying cheap lasers and enjoying sailing them against others all round the country for a very long time yet.
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Originally posted by Emilio Castelli

Originally posted by getafix

even in 2016, when there are many, many "better" boats for the money out there..... 

Can't seem to find any better boat for the money....
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While I wouldn't contemplate £5k for a new one, I can't think of a more competitive club racer for, say £1k, than an oldie but goody Laser.  


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