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    Posted: 29 Apr 16 at 11:53am
Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by getafix

numbers of returns shouldn't be miss-used as an indicator of whether or not a certain design / rig type was "right or wrong"...


Think you're the only person saying "right or wrong".

As an index of activity its useful. Activity is only one index. By turnover (=activity) McMorons is the most popular restaurant chain in the country, but they sure as hell don't sell the best food.

they don't sell the worst either, not by a long shot....  nutritionally and ethically speaking.  

Taste after all, is personal preference.  

I have been a supporter of McD's as long as they have had a presence in this country. They are not evil purveyors of death. In moderation they are just food like any other food and they have their place in the World specifically when travelling from place to place. Try some other affordable food for travelers!
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by getafix

numbers of returns shouldn't be miss-used as an indicator of whether or not a certain design / rig type was "right or wrong"...


Think you're the only person saying "right or wrong".

As an index of activity its useful. Activity is only one index. By turnover (=activity) McMorons is the most popular restaurant chain in the country, but they sure as hell don't sell the best food.

they don't sell the worst either, not by a long shot....  nutritionally and ethically speaking.  

Taste after all, is personal preference.  
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Originally posted by getafix

numbers of returns shouldn't be miss-used as an indicator of whether or not a certain design / rig type was "right or wrong"...


Think you're the only person saying "right or wrong".

As an index of activity its useful. Activity is only one index. By turnover (=activity) McMorons is the most popular restaurant chain in the country, but they sure as hell don't sell the best food.


Edited by JimC - 29 Apr 16 at 10:20am
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numbers of returns shouldn't be miss-used as an indicator of whether or not a certain design / rig type was "right or wrong" - by that metric nothing much has happened that is "right" in dinghy design or rig development since the Optimist, Mirror, topper and L*ser came out
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Originally posted by JimC

Certainly appears as if the worlds isn't madly enthused about sit-out singlehanders with kites.

you would be well within the realms of acceptability to crow 'I told you so' at this juncture Jim...  Embarrassed
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Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by turnturtle

... so arguably, in handicap racing returns, the RS boats are still like-for-like more popular 

Perhaps because they don't get any fleet racing so are consigned to PY ...

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Originally posted by 2547

I am sure JimC can tell us how many PY returns were done.

Numbers are on the Published PY list. The 8.4 is in the same sort of region as the Vareo and RS600, the 10.2 near the bottom of the list a bit below the D-One.

Certainly appears as if the worlds isn't madly enthused about sit-out singlehanders with kites. The RS700 and then the Musto Skiff still appear to be the most frequently sailed spinnaker singlehanders.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

... so arguably, in handicap racing returns, the RS boats are still like-for-like more popular 

Perhaps because they don't get any fleet racing so are consigned to PY ...
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with respect to JimC, it's available for even the ill-informed like me to look up....  

725 in 2015 across both rigs (excludes the third rig no one knows exists and doesn't have a PY anyway)

The D-One got less than 30% of that number at 215.

For comparison, the MPS returned 601, and the 700 got 749; so arguably, in handicap racing returns, the RS boats are still like-for-like more popular than alternatives from other yards.   

they're a brand that ride the zeitgeist though... and with the asymmetric bubble finally burst, it's no surprise that the Aero exceeded all the above with a combined 1132 from the 7 & 9 rig.   

Unarigs are back en vogue... with a vengeance.   




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Originally posted by PeterG

Yeah right ... just like all the RS100s sold in the UK that never turned out for anything ...

Not turning up to nationals doesn't mean no one is using them - who knows they might even be taking part in handicap racing  Shocked

The point is there were claims of significant numbers of boats sold... where are they all.

Yes the nationals is only one metric but I am sure JimC can tell us how many PY returns were done.
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