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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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The aerodynamic drag is the usual objection. External halyards are really only viable on classes where everyone has to have one. |
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JohnJack ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Mar 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 246 |
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Like this (not our boat so not a D12 hal but otherwise same diff)
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NickA ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 784 |
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I'm going to take a look tomorrow evening and see what the main halyard could be tied off on! The cleat evidently isn't man enough. A horned cleat would probably pull off the mast as soon as the kicker went on!
Another idea is to have a D12 halyard with a loop in the end, then put a hook through said loop and tension it with a 2:1 - halving the load on the cleat. Which is what my V3000 has as a jib halyard - and holds 300lbs rig tension in a v-cleat with no issues.
Btw: most Javs have a simple rope main halyard and it's common for the halyard sheath to strip off the core at some point, mostly 'cause people are too tight to move the halyard along an inch every few weeks. The Jib halyard, which controls the mast rake is indeed wire and attached to a multi-purchase system. Rig tension goes on via the shrouds through lots of blocks and rope (D12 on a modern one). Kicker is 16:1 or 24:1 and cunningham at least 4:1. So lots of force pulling the main down. I've never seen a Jav with any external halyards - tho it seems a good idea. A cleat at the top would also reduce compression on the mast. Probably banned by class rules, in case it makes the boat too modern ;¬) |
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djdhi ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 06 Oct 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 44 |
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I don't know what loads your mainsail take s but I solved this problem by going back to basic seamanship. Fit an old-fashioned horned cleat. Swig up the main with the kicker,cunningham and outhaul off, take a round turn ,a figure of eight, and finish with a locking turn. You could make a mock up horizantally on a scrap piece of timber. I'll think you will find it won't slip.
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tickel ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 408 |
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I would have thought a Jav would have a wire halyard....I am sure mine did. Why not have an external halyard and the cleat at the top? Tasar has a wire with a 'pip' on it and a metal 'V' cleat 3" from the sheave at the top.There is only 6' of wire to stretch. Byte has a similar solution but with string and a cleat. The only problem is that you need to change your glasses to see up there and on the Byte which runs with loaded cunningham it tends to jam.
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Puddlebuster ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 43 |
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Had the same problem with a Phantom and I decided to minimise the amount of rope available to stretch by having a small cleat at the top of the mast. The other benefit is there is no extra compression through the mastonly when you decide to apply heaps of cunningham.
Further when the affected peice chafes you can just cut it and you only lose six inches of halliard rather than reaching the point where it runs the full length of the mast twice and is too short even then. Have used this on my last three carbon mast and works fine. The tail is just attached to a small peice of elastic at the base to keep it tentioned and tidy it up. Edited by Puddlebuster - 21 Apr 15 at 8:32am |
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NHRC ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 13 Dec 13 Location: Lymington Online Status: Offline Posts: 102 |
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If you thicken the halyard with an insert please remember to taper the insert by cutting away strands gradually
This makes the insert roll over you sheave block at the top easier and prevents creating a hard point where the rope thickens that massively reduces the strength of the rope. |
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Roger ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 04 Location: Somerset Online Status: Offline Posts: 524 |
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In the area where it cleats, providing it's long enough just cut 20-30cm off the end and slide it inside the cover, the cover is still the bit in contact with the cleat but you will be amazed how much better it holds. Used this on a Phantom when I had one and it never slipped, and you can need lots of cunningham tension on a Phantom when it blows. |
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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Nick, if you are thickening D12 with a core then you need to do it for the region in the cleat + an inch or two on either side. This is standard practice on spinnaker halyards but I have to say I dont know many people using D12 for main halyards.
I have found that boats which rely on standing rigging to provide mast pre-bend are suitable for hook racks and those which rely on main halyard tension for pre-bend need a cleat such that additional purchases can be added to the halyard once nearly up to assist with increased tension to induce bend. The RS600 being a case in point. One solution sometimes used is to use two cleats or pack out the top end of the cleat to get a better bite angle. |
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