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    Posted: 29 Dec 14 at 11:28am
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Wobby is what wobby does ....

So far you have not capsized as you say .. even in the IOS race when it was a tad challenging.   The boat was designed to be very easily driven but without throwing you in the drink all the time.   Roll it 15 or 20 degrees from fully upright either way and you get sudenly find a hell of a lot of additonal stability... cos that is what the shape was intended to provide.  Very responsive if you sail it upright it is also very far from extreme and it you spend more time in the boat you will learn it really is a pussy cat ... a quickish one anyway.  

If you still have access get out in one and have a bit more fun !

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I actually agree, the Icon is superb if a little wobbly down wind (although I've yet to fully capsize in it despite some very hairy moments, a fair few races now in lots of varied conditions and at least 3 different crews) my point was to Rupert in that it already filled the gap in the market he was suggesting existed.
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GRF, the icon is superb to sail and a very good alrounder. It is fast, forgiving and rewards intelligent sailing ........ so great for you on all but one point LOL
I complianed about 969 until the club pointed out that after one seasons sailing in a new boat I had sailed to that handicap on a few occasions. SO maybe, on open water and longer courses at least, the h/c isn't so bad
It's a great boat and deserves success - just a shame I couldn't get a regular crew.
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Originally posted by Rupert

I have Jim'stelescope, and I'm hunting for gaps in the market.On the Santa thread, the gap appears to be a throughly modern 2 hander big enough for 2 adults and suitable for a small lake, but no faster than the old classes. Really?My gap in the market - a modern take on the scow bowed/skimmer type boat - they work best when ultra light, they can be narrow, so not too much material. With the Aero weighing in at 30kg, I'd like to see a 13 foot modern Minisail strong enough to beach land but weighing 25kg.Trouble is, I suspect the gap is for about 6 boats...



Been off the radar over Christmas, I was getting bored with the *ero crap going on and on.. As to gap in the market There isn't a nice easy two hander single trap wash through hull, there's the 500 and the Vago but both flawed for one reason or another and the Alto which nice though it is, one capsize and your done and there's no such thing as a dry one.
What's wrong with the Icon, it works on small lakes doesn't it? Or is it to fast? (it's not really 969 I think a merlin would see to it round the cans.)
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Originally posted by JimC

Gust response is the challenge. It's one thing if you've got a tree trunk spar that doesn't really move much, but if you want a flexible top mast matched to the sail then at the very least it's going to be extremely challenging to match a different size sail.
 which is why   the laser systems works so well  ( once they determined it was best to shorten the lower  section rather than the top section)
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Originally posted by ChrisB14

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1) A non extreme trapeze single hander, optimised for F4 and 13 stone
The Farr 3.7 might well fit that description.

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Yep a Farr 3.7 will work well @ 13 stone. You might get beaten by the whippets in the light stuff but that is the same in many classes. 

Remember you have control over what mast you use and how you control it, so you can get more power if needed. If you sail on the coast and get sea breezes a Farr will be a great boat at that weight. Ewan who owns 384 isn't far off that weight I reckon.
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TBF I only really timed it for going from fully rigged boat to completely packed up for travel.
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Sorry rglew, if taking the mast out of your fireball is taking three man hours you're doing something wrong, or maybe just not often enough. It is easier with two, I will grant you, but I can do it alone in 30 mins.

I do think that Mike has done a great job with Blaze / Fire / Halo to get one mast working with three sails and that seems to me to be the way to go, especially for stayed rigs.
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It's got to show potential, that a similar system was effective on the blaze. I do agree Mike, it's a bit too much to expect people to be swapping masts all the time - bringing the mast down on my fireball is 3 man, hour long job. 

I wonder what could be achieved if a few of those clever designers but their heads together on an idea like it, maybe trying to make a mast with adjustable mast bend... who knows.
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