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    Posted: 05 Dec 14 at 9:27pm
One option could be a bloody good rigging jacket for when it's truly sub-zero. I sail in my NPX one - probably will tomorrow tbh.
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Looking at the gear I have (hikers, wetsuit, oldish spray top) I'll probably invest in some of these new fangled long johns, thermal top and a new spray top. That way, as craiggo says, I'll have enough gear to effectively cover two days of racing even if it gets soaked.
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Originally posted by craiggo

Blimey, have university teams gone soft?

I only had a shortie while I was at Uni and wasn't the only one!

In theory dry-suits did offer the best solution but the only time I ever tried one, I was absolutely freezing and that was with all the various layers, woolly bear suit and a fleece jacket. Always preferred just shoving my crew jacket on whenever I came ashore. Cambridge Uni definately used to race in ANUSC but I know a fair few Uni teams have folded in recent years due to Union insurance issues (apparently sailing is classed as an extreme sport!!!!) so I guess the northern and southern leagues probably needed balancing out.

If I was team-racing now, I'd carry on as I am, and have one wetsuit for Saturday and one for Sunday, one aquafleece for each day and a selection of rash vests. I can deal with wet boots so only need one pair of those!

It wasn't the on the water stuff that was extreme or dangerous!

I think this is a really difficult one.  The issue is the intensity of team racing and the gaps in between.  So as someone has pointed out the layered systems are kind of optimised for regatta type sailing where activity is constant.  So they don't keep necesarily keep you warm in between.

Now drysuits should/could.  But I've found that, even in good, hi-spec breathable ones, the intensity levels are enough to make me sweat heavily.  And that the sweat does reduce the thermal properties of the thermals (especially the wooly bear type).  And once soggy they still don't keep you warm between races anyway.

(BTW ever thought about how much moisture manages to get out of a drybag which is running with rain?)

So my answer is a normal coat (fleece lined shell) in a waterproof bag to put on when the actions off.  And a thick hat to replace my cap.  Maybe even a balaclava.  That works with whatever current gear you have, so not much extra expense.
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Blimey, have university teams gone soft?

I only had a shortie while I was at Uni and wasn't the only one!

In theory dry-suits did offer the best solution but the only time I ever tried one, I was absolutely freezing and that was with all the various layers, woolly bear suit and a fleece jacket. Always preferred just shoving my crew jacket on whenever I came ashore. Cambridge Uni definately used to race in ANUSC but I know a fair few Uni teams have folded in recent years due to Union insurance issues (apparently sailing is classed as an extreme sport!!!!) so I guess the northern and southern leagues probably needed balancing out.

If I was team-racing now, I'd carry on as I am, and have one wetsuit for Saturday and one for Sunday, one aquafleece for each day and a selection of rash vests. I can deal with wet boots so only need one pair of those!
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Don't worry about it- Cambridge have a good programme, best go their fresh faced and keen as a good sailor, than loaded with a bunch of duff out of date info from this forum ;-).
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I think I'll up asking for team racing tips before I go. I've always been a fleet racer and can't stand having other people in the boat unless they're family.

I guess everyones going to keep clear of you on the water if they see you putting on kit out of a biohazard bag.
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they are thicker, and had a biohazard logo on them.... quite on trend back then.




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Originally posted by kneewrecker

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I was introduced to hospital / clinical waste bags on the uni sailing circuit, an excellent way of separating drysuit and boot outerlayers, with dryish inner layers.  Med students from Newcastle Uni provided ours for us.

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LOL what magic power  does   their being stolen property  and a certain colour have over  ordinary bin liners ... 
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Originally posted by rglew

Kneewrecker -I'm headed to Cambridge, really good history of team racing just too bad the training's at Grafham.

I'm fairly sure they're racing in the southern leagues these days, although back in my day they were part of ANUSC, so you should find you're warmer than you would have been 10 years ago! 
 
It has an exceptional history within BUSA and were running 4 teams back when most of us were fielding two.  Their blues were/are sh*t hot.. In fact I'm fairly sure they took the trophy off of Oxford in my final year BUSA finals.  (IMO, it was the semi's with Southampton First which was the real final though.) 

Plus there's a lot of sailing that goes on which isn't for general consumption- so loads of opportunities. 

Have fun and enjoy!  It could well be the best sailing of your life.


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Cawh, the world of kit is so complicated. It seems whatever you go for you have to end up with a load of layers it's just whether its worth the £250 outlay for a drysuit to keep it all dry or is there some clever alternative. I'm an engineering student on a gap year, not a wealthy business type (yet!).

Kneewrecker -I'm headed to Cambridge, really good history of team racing just too bad the training's at Grafham.
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