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zippyRN ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437 |
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Hence the G4 scheme of the 980s and 90s just having 'level 4' which was equivalent to the youth 'red badge' and the current 'Start Racing' , however it did leave a bit of a vacuum |
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balladsailor ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 24 Apr 11 Location: Milton Keynes Online Status: Offline Posts: 20 |
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Going back to the RYA's first racing courses outlined in the National dinghy scheme in the 1970's there was 'Racing1' and 'Racing2'. Whilst many centres ran Racing 1 courses (start racing) the RYA only sold a handful of Racing2 certificates. John Driscoll ( National Coach at the time ) was quite realistic when he said thar once people had learnt enough to get into racing, they probably picked up more knowledge by just getting out and doing it!
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I have been wondering whether the parents of our junior sailors would be interested in race training at a basic level, as they really enjoy the mini races I put on for them all at the end of Junor sessions. Might even be able to make some beer money from it!
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patj ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 16 Jul 04 Location: Wiltshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 643 |
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The best race training days we've attended were run by the Lark class using class committee and hotshots - training on a Saturday, open meeting on a Sunday.
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zippyRN ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437 |
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running race training commercially is probably a bit of a loser whatever - however for a club with L2 coaches or a club and RTC co-located ... |
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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I have to say I have never come across any centres running intermediate or advanced racing except for one which ran intermediate racing purely as a money spinner. The lad I met who claimed to have done it to my mind fell woefully short of the standard required.
I don't think many people who race are bothered by badges or certificates, they simply want to get out and race, and enjoy ad hoc training or class training when it is available.
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the same, but different...
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zippyRN ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437 |
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I think you are missing the point somewhat. the aim for the racing training scheme is not about badges or carrots it's about getting meaningful hours on the water and the opportunity to do lots of purposeful activity - it doiesn;t matter about conditions although a mix across the time you spend on the course is useful - also by doing the the 22 race training / boat handling exercises that used to appear in the dinghy coaching handbook you have defined outcomes to work towards you can do dozens of of starts , mark rounding etc in a short period of time as well as improving boat handling techniques
it will depend on your students - level 2 has never tried to produce fast or technically good sailors ,'just' safe sailors who can sail indepdently in moderate condtions . that's the starting point you have to assume for new racers as another poster has pointed out it is relatively straightforward to get the level 2 coach training if you have suitably experienced sailors who wish to do it and for 'Start racing' and 'intermediate ' levles if you have among your trainers people with a good regional record and/'or some national tinware the 'extra' level of skill and knowledge is probably there and alot will hinge on their teaching / coaching / mentoring abilities at the 'advanced' ( youth blue badge of old) and 'beyond advanced' (what youth did/ does at 'winter training / Squad selection' is where wanting the truely fast ferrets of the world on the coaching team comes into it;s own as the those who take and develop the skills taught at this levle are the ones who will be looking to the tinware locally / regionally and putting in decent perofrmances at the national level - the key factor really being how much time they are prepared to put in ) there is at present a structure which supports staged race training for both youth and adult sailors this is an improvement over the position of the not so distant past ( although this more a point for the 'what have the RYA ever done for us' thread) where there wasn;t a great deal of adult race training activity between G4 scheme level 4 and 'elite' to a greater or lesser degree until you are are the 'intermediate' level WRT race training bringing in an external big name is possibly excessive ( but if you cvan afford it why the hell not) , in the deep dark past of my experience of race training as a youth i'm quite sure my intermediate / white badge course would have been just as useful without the presence of JERS but it was nice to have the input of the king ferret ... the presence of the bigger names was useful at Winter training - but at that point credibiliy = tinware = credibility ( virtuous circle) there's three aspects to good race training 1. make the boat go fast 2. put the boat in the right place 3. integration of 1+2 above I've deliberately put it in that order as significant parts of 1 come first if you boat is not set up to a reasonable 'norm' of base settings for the crew mass it takes an exceptional level of 2 and 3 to perform as a not officially an AI because they didn't exist at the time , I could generally out pace 99% of learners even level 2 to 3 improvers in a topper despite being ' over weight ' for a topper - because i'd hads thousands of hours on the water by that point across maybe a dozen different classes ( but significant hours in topper, raser ladial and standard rig laser) and could sail by 'feel' - the unconciously competent stage of the 4 stage model of skills . i should also point out at this point i hold an NQF level 6 teaching and assessing award and have been involved in teaching and assessing in a variety of 'workplace' settings including emergency care , acute hospitals and the logistics industry |
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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badges - for adults? Seriously....
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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One snag with coaching days is that they are weather dependent. While a good coach can make something out of any day, it's likely that most punters will learn the most in a nice F.3 when they have enough 'go' and sufficient control to focus on the exercises.
It's a difficult one, as we can't control the weather, but it might be possible, if all parties an be flexible, to set up the session in principle, then fix the date at short notice. With the current state of forecasting, you've got a reasonable chance of deciding correctly on the preceding Wednesday of a Sunday (although it wouldn't have looked good this week down our way - things have just improved markedly overnight ![]() |
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balladsailor ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 24 Apr 11 Location: Milton Keynes Online Status: Offline Posts: 20 |
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As previously said, in house race training is a great club solutions. Any club can organise a Level2 Race Coach course. The route to setting up a coaching course is outlined on the RYA website; there need to be six candidates and costs are about £90 each.
Buying in a top coach can be really beneficial; the Supernova Class recently brought in Tim Anderton ( Bart's Bash event manager) for a superb day's coaching.
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