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    Posted: 10 Oct 14 at 11:29pm
Originally posted by balladsailor

Going back to the RYA's first racing courses outlined in the National dinghy scheme in the 1970's there was 'Racing1' and 'Racing2'. Whilst many centres ran Racing 1 courses (start racing) the RYA only sold a handful of Racing2 certificates. John Driscoll ( National Coach at the time ) was quite realistic when he said thar once people had learnt enough to get into racing, they probably picked up more knowledge by just getting out and doing it!


Hence the G4 scheme of the 980s and 90s just having 'level 4' which was equivalent to the youth 'red badge' and the current 'Start Racing' , however it  did leave a bit of a vacuum 
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Going back to the RYA's first racing courses outlined in the National dinghy scheme in the 1970's there was 'Racing1' and 'Racing2'. Whilst many centres ran Racing 1 courses (start racing) the RYA only sold a handful of Racing2 certificates. John Driscoll ( National Coach at the time ) was quite realistic when he said thar once people had learnt enough to get into racing, they probably picked up more knowledge by just getting out and doing it!
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I have been wondering whether the parents of our junior sailors would be interested in race training at a basic level, as they really enjoy the mini races I put on for them all at the end of Junor sessions. Might even be able to make some beer money from it!
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The best race training days we've attended were run by the Lark class using class committee and hotshots - training on a Saturday, open meeting on a Sunday.
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Originally posted by winging it

I have to say I have never come across any centres running intermediate or advanced racing except for one which ran intermediate racing purely as a money spinner.  The lad I met who claimed to have done it to my mind fell woefully short of the standard required.

I don't think many people who race are bothered by badges or certificates, they simply want to get out and race, and enjoy ad hoc training or class training when it is available.

 
 running race training commercially   is probably a bit of a loser  whatever  - however  for a club  with  L2 coaches or a club and RTC co-located ... 
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I have to say I have never come across any centres running intermediate or advanced racing except for one which ran intermediate racing purely as a money spinner.  The lad I met who claimed to have done it to my mind fell woefully short of the standard required.

I don't think many people who race are bothered by badges or certificates, they simply want to get out and race, and enjoy ad hoc training or class training when it is available.
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Originally posted by davidyacht

ZippyRN do you think that adults will respond to the carrot of a badge in the same way as youths, or do you thing an intense day of coaching by a "guru" might motivate them better?  I don't know the answer but we are obviously coming from diferent ends.

I think you are missing the point  somewhat.  the aim for the   racing training scheme is not about badges or carrots  it's about getting meaningful hours on the water  and  the opportunity to do lots of purposeful activity -  it doiesn;t matter   about conditions although a mix across the time you spend on the course  is useful  - also by doing the  the 22  race training / boat handling exercises that  used to appear in the dinghy coaching handbook  you  have  defined outcomes to work towards you can do dozens of of starts , mark rounding  etc in a short  period of time  as well as  improving  boat handling techniques 

it will depend on your students  - level 2  has never tried to produce fast  or technically good  sailors ,'just' safe sailors who can sail indepdently  in moderate condtions . 

that's the starting point you have to assume for new racers 

as another poster has pointed out   it is relatively straightforward to get the level 2  coach training  if you have suitably  experienced  sailors who wish to do it  and for  'Start racing'  and 'intermediate ' levles  if you have  among your trainers  people with a good regional record and/'or  some national tinware  the  'extra' level of skill and knowledge is probably there  and alot will hinge on their  teaching / coaching / mentoring abilities 

at the 'advanced'  ( youth blue badge of old) and 'beyond advanced' (what  youth did/ does at 'winter training / Squad selection' is where  wanting the  truely fast ferrets of the world  on the coaching team comes into it;s own  as the  those who take and develop the skills taught at this levle are the ones who will be looking  to  the tinware locally / regionally and putting in decent perofrmances at  the national level - the key factor really being how much time  they  are prepared to put in )

there is  at present  a structure  which supports  staged  race training  for both youth and adult sailors 

this is an improvement over the position of the not so distant past ( although this more a point for the  'what have the RYA ever done for us'  thread)  where there wasn;t  a great deal of adult  race training activity between G4 scheme  level 4 and  'elite' 

 to a greater or lesser degree until you are are the 'intermediate'  level  WRT race training  bringing  in an external  big name is  possibly  excessive ( but  if you cvan afford  it why the hell not) ,  in the deep dark past of my  experience of race training  as a youth  i'm quite sure my intermediate / white badge   course would have been just as useful without  the presence of JERS  but it was  nice to have the input of the king ferret ...

the presence of the bigger names  was useful at Winter training  - but at that point   credibiliy  = tinware = credibility  ( virtuous circle) 

there's three aspects to good race training 

1. make the boat go fast 
2. put the boat in the right place 
3. integration of 1+2 above 

I've deliberately  put it in that order  as  significant parts of 1  come first 
if you  boat is not set up to a reasonable 'norm'  of base settings  for the crew mass  it takes an exceptional level of 2 and 3 to perform 

as a not officially an AI because they didn't  exist  at the time , I could generally out pace  99% of learners even level 2 to 3 improvers in a topper despite being ' over weight ' for a topper - because i'd hads thousands of hours on the water by that point  across maybe a dozen different classes ( but significant hours in topper, raser ladial and standard  rig laser) and could sail by 'feel' -  the unconciously competent  stage of the 4 stage  model of skills .


i should also point out at this point i hold an NQF level  6 teaching and assessing award  and have been involved in teaching and assessing  in a variety of 'workplace' settings including  emergency care , acute hospitals and the logistics  industry 

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Originally posted by davidyacht

ZippyRN do you think that adults will respond to the carrot of a badge in the same way as youths, or do you thing an intense day of coaching by a "guru" might motivate them better?  I don't know the answer but we are obviously coming from diferent ends.

badges - for adults?  Seriously....   Confused
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One snag with coaching days is that they are weather dependent. While a good coach can make something out of any day, it's likely that most punters will learn the most in a nice F.3 when they have enough 'go' and sufficient control to focus on the exercises.

It's a difficult one, as we can't control the weather, but it might be possible, if all parties an be flexible, to set up the session in principle, then fix the date at short notice. With the current state of forecasting, you've got a reasonable chance of deciding correctly on the preceding Wednesday of a Sunday (although it wouldn't have looked good this week down our way - things have just improved markedly overnight )
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As previously said, in house race training is a great club solutions. Any club can organise a Level2 Race Coach course. The route to setting up a coaching course is outlined on the RYA website; there need to be six candidates and costs are about £90 each.

Buying in a top coach can be really beneficial; the Supernova Class recently brought in Tim Anderton ( Bart's Bash event manager) for a superb day's coaching.
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