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Rupert 
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 Topic: MX next in productionPosted: 27 Aug 14 at 8:00am |
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I'm sure the original design parameters were for something that broke the mould in terms of how small boats sailed, as a development step for how ocean racers were going to be revolutionized, too. From the film I've seen, that hasn't happened - I think physics has got in the way. Can't say I expected otherwise, along with all the other cynics on here...
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 27 Aug 14 at 5:59am |
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Yes, it's just the awful hype that raises expectations of extreme speed.
But as I implied earlier, if you're looking for a singlehander that is fun and well sub-1000 PY, yet is easy to sail without dedicated practice, the Next might turn out to be just that. Easy to pull up the beach too. Be interesting to see how it shapes up in reality. |
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Chris 249
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Posted: 27 Aug 14 at 1:56am |
You're right about the beam compared to the average hiker, of course, but I was comparing it to the really fast boats that the MX Next seems to be pitched at; the 700, Canoe, MPS etc. They all seem to offer significantly more RM, which as we all know is critical in high performance boats. My concerns about the freeboard are centred on the drag caused by wings and decks splashing through the waves; as you say, low freeboard can also be something that makes sailing more fun. I will admit to being turned off the boat by the amount of hype, like the stuff about the way the MX Ray "revolutionized they way small sport boats were designed" and "was a game-changer" that "all the established builders started to copy." PS - in flat water and light/medium winds the MXNext could well be a very quick boat.
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Koops
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Posted: 26 Aug 14 at 9:41pm |
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I'd better look at the raw footage and prepare the humble pie ;-)
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 26 Aug 14 at 3:08pm |
Considering it's a light boat in a small chop (at least in the second sequence), those tacking shots don't look at all bad.
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Roger
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Posted: 26 Aug 14 at 2:42pm |
I grant you there is not a lot.... but there is some so called "raw footage" of the boat tacking and gybing in that video collection http://www.mx-next.com/videos.html |
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 26 Aug 14 at 12:44pm |
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Agreed, shots of tacking/gybing would be interesting to see - we have no clue as to those beyond speculation and the comment of the "TV personality" that it tacks easily.
But I'm struggling to see any evidence of undue instability in the videos. All looks pretty standard singlehanded fare to me, and certainly easier than if you stuck people in an RS300 with little experience of it.
Yes, at sea with few gusts a trapeze is less of an issue, and on gravel pits MX Next might be a bit cumbersome, but on somewhere big but shifty like our river, Grafham, Draycote or Rutland it could be useful. Edit: in answer to Grumph, yes I certainly would if one was at the club, whereas I wouldn't a foiling Moth or an MPS as I know I wouldn't be prepared to put the time in to master it, at least not in a shifty environment. Edited by Medway Maniac - 26 Aug 14 at 12:46pm |
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johnreekie1980
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Posted: 26 Aug 14 at 9:32am |
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It seems to me that turbo charging all these hiking single handers seems a bit pointless. If the MX Next is as hard to sail as it looks then it puts in in the ball park of a Musto Skiff and it clearly does not have the performance upwind or down as it is low on righting moment when compared to a trapeze boat. I don't think that there is a market for this at sea clubs in the UK as they would choose faster boats at this level of difficulty and it will not find favor on the gravel pits and lakes as it is too difficult to sail particularly in light and flukey winds.
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Koops
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Posted: 25 Aug 14 at 11:24pm |
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I've just watched the vids on the mx next website. Horrible creation! No shots of the boat tacking (v long with no rocker so difficult?), helms struggling to keep the boat balanced in a breeze (narrow waterline, big Sq top sail, wide wings.....RS300 on steroids!) and shots with the kite up don't indicate any stability improvement. Described as being very athletic to sail! Perhaps I'm getting old :-)
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 25 Aug 14 at 1:49pm |
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A 2m beam is hardly narrow by hiking singlehander standards; a bit above average, I'd have said.
Trim might indeed be difficult to get right, given the position of the wings; be interesting to see one in action for real. Low freeboard - love it or hate it. Personally I love it - much rather be in the water than flying high above it on, say, an 800. UK winter excepted, maybe.
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