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gordon1277 
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 Topic: Club boatsPosted: 14 Aug 14 at 7:52am |
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Your description of a club boat with cast iron plate etc sounds like a bosun.
Sorry but the boat needs to be something people want to sail which will depend on what you have at the club and has to be within peoples skill level. |
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OultonBen
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There were once some Aluminium Flying-15s built; these of course have steel keels, so almost satisfy your 'spec'
 , bottom up to the sheerline anyway. |
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No-one can squeeze past ..... when you're as "Chunky" as myself !
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OultonBen
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Posted: 13 Aug 14 at 7:15pm |
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NO you couldn't .... Not for personal loans to buy your own kit ! What was advocated was "Loans" for people to buy their own stuff .... and look after it, like they don't look after institutional kit.
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No-one can squeeze past ..... when you're as "Chunky" as myself !
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iiitick
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Posted: 13 Aug 14 at 5:56pm |
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Hummm...you need cast iron rudders, tillers and extensions, steel sails and a big iron skid plate underneath.
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davidyacht
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Posted: 13 Aug 14 at 5:51pm |
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But you could use the Sport England £ 10K grants, maybe match funded by Members loans, or Gift Aided gifts if you are a CASC. Strikes me that the key issue might be in having a Semi Retired bosun who checks the boats over once a week.
Maybe there is room for yet another class specifically targeted at this market, not built in polyethylene, but kitted out with decent, robust gear, but with simple systems. Much though it saddens me the original Laser 1 pretty much hit this brief, but I am not sure about a 2 hander.
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OultonBen
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Posted: 13 Aug 14 at 5:02pm |
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Try this for "Personal Loan":- Core pot of cash ~£6k; 50% Personal Loans, interest-free are available; repayable over 2-years. If £6k of loans is repaid over 2-year, the returning income is £3k annually Try this simplified example: "P, Q, R & S" buy new-ish lasers @ ~£3k each, so apply for interest free loans of ~£1.5k each and use-up the pot; [total repayment rate is £6k/24 = £250 pcm, or averaged £62.50 each per month]. Seeing 2 brand new & 2 very smart Lasers sailing around "T" becomes interested, so after half-a-season the empty pot has now risen to £1.5k and "T" can look at this to support his new boat. How many Clubs are seeing a turn-around of roughly 1 almost-new Laser every 6-months, or equivalent? The £6k initially put up, costs the Club, perhaps £1 per day, or the equivalent of a small round of drinks every week-end ...... to see this level of enhanced sailing activity. Loans could be used for say, upgrading from aluminium to Carbon rigs, or buying a High-Tech sail ..... etc. One sailing Association which I still belong to, saw such merit in this type of scheme, that they increased the basic 'pot' four-fold, yes £24k ! That was how I bought my first new Fireball in 1982 ! This was done from reserves but could also be done through appeal to members, and then say, matched industrial or other funding. |
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ChrisI
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Posted: 13 Aug 14 at 3:56pm |
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I'm convinced too that club boats will play a bigger role in future (.... we get told that the world is heading towards a 'sharing' economy with the likes of AirBnB and Uber etc etc) but maintenance is clearly the key from all the comments posted, although not sure what the solution is.
I think Carsington SC at one stage, very creatively, rented out Laser 2ks in 3 month periods, which almost solved the problem I believe - with people knowing that if they bust something it would be like that next time they used the boat. |
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winging it
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Posted: 11 Aug 14 at 3:43pm |
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What I have noticed at Hunts is that as the boats themselves have been improved, so the amount of damage caused has lessened. People seem to have more respect for a better equipped and looked after boat. I agree it's a shame to ditch the lasers, but they were running at a loss, not least because people would actually nick he parts or swap them for something they had damaged on their own boats.
The adoption scheme is working well with the optimists, but we also have a few plastic oppies which take the brunt of the for hire use.
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the same, but different...
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Matt Jackson
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Posted: 11 Aug 14 at 1:29pm |
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I think the key to getting maintenance issues reported is to make it clear what the club would consider fair wear-and-tear and what is damage (ie what the hirer is responsible for) and not making the hirer feel like a naughty child when they report something needs fixing.
My club has a wide variety of boats for hire but I'll do about everything in my power to not need to hire one again. Being a bit more professional about things like having a price list and proper T&Cs would really help. I like the idea people adopting boats, if they are adopted by particular fleets then they have some interest in them being well maintained so the can use them as a tool to boost their fleet
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jeffers
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Posted: 11 Aug 14 at 9:21am |
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At Hunts we have a load of Toppers and Optimists. Some of the Optimists have been 'adopted' by various parents which helps with the maintenance issues.
We did have some Lasers but these were so badly abused that the club is in the process of selling them (which is a shame IMO but I can understand why). We also have some Picos, 3 Vagos, a Vision (which is currently for sale) and a L2K. So a nice mix and a little bit of something for most people. We do have the issue of maintenance with people not reporting things that get broken or are damaged which is frustrating as 99% of the time the broken item is minor and a very easy (and cheap) fix but not one you want to be doing immediately before you run a training course.
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