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    Posted: 08 Mar 14 at 7:26pm
Originally posted by getafix

The Milne Javelin is a boat that could be a real weapon if given a 21st century makeover and put on a serious diet

... and stiffer construction and carbon spars and plastic sails! 

We compensate for the 120kg fitted hull by bolting on lots of expensively light bits and pieces.  I just acquired one of Tony Lincoln's last Javs and the (lack of) weight of the spin pole and rudder assembly is a bit spooky.  Puts those on my otherwise ultra-light V3000 to shame.

We could probably knock 10+kg off the hull weight by using more modern construction, maybe more by changing the internal shape; it might be earlier on the plane and "lighter and bouncier" as a friend put it, but I doubt it would be quicker flat out; the 150kg or so of sailors needed to keep it upright doesn't help Wink .

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Originally posted by Action

[QUOTE=rogerd]This is the reply from Mike Pickles.


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Hi Jim,

as is usual in these cases, the replies above are not complete! Funnily enough, I was sorting out an answer to your other question re the Tornado when I clocked the javelin thread.

So, UK Javelins....... to the list you also have to add the attempt by Ian Proctor to develop a performance catamaran. The Proctor Javelin was a follow up to his smaller 'catkin' cat, IIFC it was cold moulded by Jack Chippendale at Fareham and sailed by Richard Creagh-Osbourne at Lymington.

Sorry Jim, I don't suppose this answers your question but thought you'd want the info, if only for 'completeness' of answer.

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Originally posted by rogerd

This is the reply from Mike Pickles.
There are three Javelin's
A Uffa Fox tub, mainly sailed in the USA which was around 16'
The Aussie Javelin which is a 16' Skiff
And the Milne Javelin which is the one sailed in Europe, which is 17''6" long.
Oue current Handicap is 926 and would have been 98-ish back in the day.

No, the Aussie Javelin, or NZ Javelin to be correct is not a 16ft Skiff. A  16ft Skiff is a 16ft Skiff. The Aus/NZ Javelin, given that John Spencer is the original designer, looks like a larger version of the AUS/NZ Cherub. It looks like a real fun boat.
Cut and pasted from the Aus/NZ Javelin Website:

What is a Javelin
The Javelin is a high performance, single trapeze, 14ft two handed skiff raced competitively throughout New Zealand and Australia, with fleets starting in the United States. Its lightweight 70kg hull, and powerful, efficient sail plan allow it to exceed speeds of 25 knots and provide an exhilarating "ride" and exciting fleet racing.

The Javelin is a restricted development class which offers close exciting racing at a very affordable price. The Javelin is a light-weight boat, and carries a large sail area for its size. This combination makes the Javelin a very exciting boat to race and sail.

The Javelin was designed in New Zealand by John Spencer in 1961. Its popularity has seen it become a National Class with fleets throughout New Zealand and Australia.

National, Inter-Provincial, and South Pacific championships provide sailors with good close racing, and social events.



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Tony Lincoln from Northampton Sailboats was good in the Javelins ( and I might have made him some foils ~ 25 yrs ago )

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Seems to me that any boat with enough returns to be on the UK PY list would be the Milne boat.
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The Milne Javelin is a boat that could be a real weapon if given a 21st century makeover and put on a serious diet
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This is the reply from Mike Pickles.
There are three Javelin's
A Uffa Fox tub, mainly sailed in the USA which was around 16'
The Aussie Javelin which is a 16' Skiff
And the Milne Javelin which is the one sailed in Europe, which is 17''6" long.
Oue current Handicap is 926 and would have been 98-ish back in the day.
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There's the New Zealand Javelin which is widely sailed in Aus, but that's 14ft. Hard to believe it would have been the same speed as the Milne boat back then, although modern ones probably are. And there's an American one, also 14ft, but that one is little faster than a Mirror according to their handicap system.

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I think the Javelin 16 is a unrelated Australian design.
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