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It's just what the boys told me everyone up at Wilsonian was like


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You're implying that's a photo from the Hoo Freezer, aren't you Grumph?
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

a Ukulele

I guess there is a place for music which is to be performed but not listened to.


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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

a Ukulele

I guess there is a place for music which is to be performed but not listened to.
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Thank you Jack... I shall add it to the bucket list, however I remain unconvinced of its ease of use and any attempts of musicianship on my part, would sadly be on par with the sounds heard when strangling kittens.  

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Originally posted by yellowwelly


Originally posted by JimC

... about a dozen or so items of musical hardware

I envy you... I real wish I had even a basic music ability, nevemind talent, or at least enthusiasm enough to mask the lack of it.  Sadly I don't and it feels like a social handicap. Even Guitar Hero wouldn't load when I bought a PlayStation... (another totally redundant toy, but it did at least serve as a Blu Ray player before Blockbuster went, well, bust.)


Honestly Mr Welly... get your self a Ukulele, you will astound yourself at how easy it is to learn that mystical musical ability. And if you get a Tenor or Baritone Ukulele it doesn't sound like a kids toy, and man's hands can play um'
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Originally posted by Thunder Road

The Finn dropped from 120kg to 116kg .... it questioned our manliness and boat hauling skills


Well us girls like to have manly types around to haul our boats about for us..
Might require a double brandy and babycham first?

But we always reward them with a big kiss....
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One thing that could be improved on the RS400:

Sailing them in Minorca in the early '90's (thus not wearing too much body armour) after being initially impressed I shied away when I felt they were beating me up.  I just seemed to pick up a lot more damage in them than other boats for some reason - the low boom and lots of metal fittings?

It struck a chord when a club member returned from Minorca more recently with similar comments.

That said, sailing one in UK in a wetsuit seemed like a different experience.

Sorry, off topic, nothing to do with weight...


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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Yes, but only while you are planing.  What percentage of your time out sailing is that?  Be honest!

The effect on displacement drag is far less marked.  To really take advantage of the reduction in weight you'd need to narrow off the waterline beam on your new design to cut down wetted area at all significantly, and that will make for a tippier boat.  Is that what people want?  If you think so, why wasn't the 400 designed with a narrower waterline in the first place?

Swings and roundabouts...


We have to remember the 400 was designed in about 1991.
At that time, I think I had a Morris Marina estate and motorbikes wth pushrod engines.
Amstrad were flogging an awful lot of 486 PCs....
I guess at the time, the 400 was designed to be the most effective waay of getting a lot of people into the asymetric market, which it clearly did very well in the UK, as a lot of boats were sold very quickly.

I'm  sure you'd not need to reduce waterline beam to get a speed increase at displacement speeds, although lower wetted area is always good. Form stability has its uses, but once a boat is moving a lot of other things come into play. Anyone who's sailed a Tales in gusts and lumpy water will know what I mean.

I'm talking about a boat you design today, for the committed asymetric club sailor who has sailed asy's before. I would say the majority of races we plane at least once, and I enjoy sailing a boat fast. I also enjoy tactical sailing, where speed is not important in itself, but if that was the only thing, I'd get a keelboat.
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