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    Posted: 05 Mar 14 at 1:01pm
There was 505 V's Int 14 team racing, too.
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Now I think about it, for many years there used to be an annual Flying Dutchman vs 505 open meeting in the UK. Presumably it kicked the bucket when there were too few FDs to make it worthwhile.
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At club level, we already have it - we call it the Medium Handicap fleet, where Blazes (predominantly, these days) can mix it with Phantoms (predominant previously), Lasers and whatever.  Plenty of space on Medway, so the mobile obstacles (Wayfarers etc.) don't really interfere.  Not sure a dedicated start would make any odds.
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Originally posted by alstorer

Originally posted by yellowwelly

Anyone else got anything to add to this idea... or is a bit a damp squib?
It is doomed as a circuit idea- you'd need far bigger buy-in than a couple of people agreeing with you on an internet forum.
 
As a club racing idea, well, again, this forum isn't really the place. The concept seems good, but for it go anywhere you need to find a source of people, preferably all within striking ditance of one patch of water, with suitable boats, who're willing to commit. That's the hard part between a good idea and a good implementation

I totally agree with you... I was wondering if the emergence of two new (on paper well matched) classes could ride the wave of enthusiasm that would otherwise not be present if this suggestion had come out of the blue.

Given the timescales involved in delivery of the two new classes, I guess 2015 would be the target year to potentially test this out.
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in all honesty I think the D-One would be in a league above in performance terms.... but would I personally have an issue, no, not at all, if you win you still must have sailed it well and if you don't then wtf does it matter anyway?
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

Anyone else got anything to add to this idea... or is a bit a damp squib?
It is doomed as a circuit idea- you'd need far bigger buy-in than a couple of people agreeing with you on an internet forum.
 
As a club racing idea, well, again, this forum isn't really the place. The concept seems good, but for it go anywhere you need to find a source of people, preferably all within striking ditance of one patch of water, with suitable boats, who're willing to commit. That's the hard part between a good idea and a good implementation
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D0   ?


that zero was meant to be an 'oh' meaning can the D One come.  I always have an important role to fulfill at such events, that of being last...but in the words of the great Cyndi Lauper, girls just want to have fun.
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Maybe Jim... my experience before of seeing whether 700s and MPSs could race together sans handicap was met with less than an enthusiastic response, but I put that down the localised rationale, rather than any great revelation about sailing group think.... (and no sense in irony when they then shared the same PN the following season).  But I remain optimistic that the single handers I've identified could race together, safe in the knowledge the best sailor on the day will win across the finish line.  Maybe it just needs a one off event, either this year or next, organised with racing together in mind?  Or at the very least, one handicap event where a class start could be arranged for those who want to take part.  POSH sounds like the obvious candidate, although I've never sailed it myself, and timing would mean 2015.

Certainly one of the earliest, and most talked about at the time, meet-ups for the MPS and 700 was the 2006 Holt Tide Ride:  


I'd love to see a competitive spirit like that return, maybe with a little less 'them vs us' - but I love the final sentence on that report:

It is great to have these two high performance classes racing together.
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It ought to be uncontroversial that events restricted to similar styles of boats produce more consistent racing, and that if the boats are similar enough in style and speed then the difference between handicap and boat for boat results will be minimal.

Yet for some reason - take the ultimately unsuccessful TASA initiative as an example - sailors don't seem to show any great enthusiasm for such events, and its not obvious that major winter events that do divide the boats into groupings of similar classes (eg Grafham Grand Prix) are more popular than those that don't (eg Bloody Mary).

Maybe the really close racing bit isn't that big a deal to most people?

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Anyone else got anything to add to this idea... or is a bit a damp squib?
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