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Boats hardly anyone talks about Pt 1 - Hornet |
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rogerd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1076 |
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Dougal has been threatening/promising to publish battengate for years. Its all just journo hype.
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Paramedic ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 929 |
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Merlins tried them long ago and didn't like them. It upset the balance of the rig, and I suppose there was no perceived reason to go through the lengthy and costly development process to get them to work.
I guess with 505s and Fireballs especially that the racing is so good that there is no need to upset the applecart. For a season or two you'll have the development years where one or the other might be faster, then after 4 or 5 seasons everyone will have the same kit an you'll be back where you started. just because something is though to be "better" doesn't mean its worth reinventing the wheel to adopt it :) |
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SymBoy ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 38 |
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I'm intrigued now - if fully battened mains are better, why haven't the likes of 505 and Fireball changed their rules to allow them? It would appear to be such a simple way to improve performance..... |
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John Shelton ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 05 Sep 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 22 |
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where are you? certainly can be arranged if you want to have a blast
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JohnJack ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Mar 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 246 |
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Just had a look at the class website, a bit outdated. Need to get a top helm and crew to take one out in a blow with a camera on the back and get it going flat out.
Enquired about 2138 a while back, very tempted if it wasn't the other end of the country
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John Shelton ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 05 Sep 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 22 |
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yup, carbon booms are OK, as are carbon foils, and other bits - just not in the hull, mast and sails, Deck stepped should be OK, but I think one of the bands on the mast has to be at the sheerline, which means the mast extending below that level (but I am probably wrong)
Dougal, would love to hear about Battengate - that must have passed me by |
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JohnJack ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Mar 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 246 |
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Wouldn't go as far as a carbon mast, though I think the rules allow for a carbon boom. Would be tempted to deck step and enable raking like the Scorpions and Merlins
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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I have many a fond memory of Hornets having sailed alongside Nick & Sue Russell for many years. Fantastic understated boats, much like the Marauder. Could have been so so good if the 90s assymetric revolution hadnt got in the way.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Think the Hornet must be about the only class in the world that permits full battened sails yet most sailors don't use them.
2.5m kite pole too long? We had a 2.74m pole on the Cherubs back in the 60s. Not really any such thing as a too long pole frm the sail setting point of view, but there's most definitely such a thing as an incorrectly cut and sheeted sail. Edited by JimC - 29 Aug 13 at 6:40pm |
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Dougaldog ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Nov 10 Location: hamble Online Status: Offline Posts: 356 |
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Ha John....almost right - Ginger Nuts was 2046. I have the picture up on the wall here - with Mikey Todd (of Pink Hammer skiff fame) crewing for me - sailing had been binned for the day but I went and did a 'demo' job for the Banks rig. I also had a small input into the Smith rig too..... one day..... one day, when the time is right, I'll put pen to paper and write the story of 'battened main gate' (it made Watergate look like Andy Pandy).
The reason why most classes don't go fully battened is that they were specifically banned within the class rules. If you think the Hornet went well under fully battened, the Greg Gregory Ghost - his 15ft long mega-Cherub, had a high aspect fully battened main and despite the size, was sailed at Hamble with the FD fleet!! Super quick! D |
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