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    Posted: 06 Sep 13 at 4:44pm
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They are a fantastic boat - the kids here love them. they are incredibly easy to right which gives the kids heaps of confidence. We got small sails made and the kids sail them happily from 7.
We need some more - has anyone got one for sale?
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Originally posted by Richard20Sailing

This thread has gone very off topic from the Bic Open.  However on the future materials for massed produced boats I was very interested in the computer aided precision cut foam sandwich board on the cheerub at the last dingy show. With the right design a home made hull for a new mid range class using this kit could provide a break through. In different times the mirror was successful because it was cutting edge with the design for the available skills and materials.
 I think the bic open is good and the fevera is ok but these rota-moulded products are physically small and quite small boats. I am looking forward to the breakthrough in technology for a cheaply produced hull not to feel horrible.


Just need to adjust the CAD cutting file for this process and the Farr 3.7 could provide a good test bed for that theory. It certainly fits the - not to fast and achievable by all, criteria. (thought I'd hijack the thread as it's gone so far of topic all ready!)
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Originally posted by Rupert

Solo ... went from Wood to single skin grp to Foam sandwich.

Don't think there was ever a good single skin glass Solo though was there? Champs winning boats were ply then foam...

Originally posted by Richard20Sailing

these rota-moulded products are physically small and quite small boats. I am looking forward to the breakthrough in technology for a cheaply produced hull not to feel horrible.

Yeah, rotomould doesn't seem to scale well as a material... It would be nice for a wonder tech to turn up to give us good cheaper and lighter boats than before, but the last time it happened was in the early 50s, so might be a long wait...

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This thread has gone very off topic from the Bic Open.  However on the future materials for massed produced boats I was very interested in the computer aided precision cut foam sandwich board on the cheerub at the last dingy show. With the right design a home made hull for a new mid range class using this kit could provide a break through. In different times the mirror was successful because it was cutting edge with the design for the available skills and materials.

 I think the bic open is good and the fevera is ok but these rota-moulded products are physically small and quite small boats. I am looking forward to the breakthrough in technology for a cheaply produced hull not to feel horrible.
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I was using GRP as a more generic term, Jim - whether it had foam in the middle or not. I cannot see a Solo being rotomoulded, yet it went from Wood to single skin grp to Foam sandwich.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Unlike the move from ply to GRP, this will involve having to have new designs.

How many large competitive classes can we think of where GRP actually did takeover from ply? Wasn't it mostly new classes anyway? Until foam sandwich ply was the top end choice in Solos and Enterprises and so on...

I suppose if I were to look at a list of classes I'd come up with a few, but without doing that check the only ones I can think of where glass took over were moulded like the 505.
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The Supernova is a fairly recent design compared to most that are about, and has done pretty well, considering how close it is to the Laser in many aspects. But it isn't extreme, and it will carry a bit of weight without the bum dragging in the water too much.
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At our club we are  mainly old with a few young chappies. Even if a new whizzy design did come out no one would buy it. Us oldies are to old and the youngies could not afford it. Hence we have 11 Supernovas and 4 Lightnings.
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The new slow classes will only come (I think) when the rotomoulding technology produces hulls which rival GRP hulls for weight and stiffness. Unlike the move from ply to GRP, this will involve having to have new designs. Otherwise, a new class has to compete against existing structures with very little new to pull people away from the established fleets.
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