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    Posted: 31 Jul 13 at 10:22am
Originally posted by gordon


2. There is a lot of nonsense talked about the cost of International Juries. 

I don't think so ...

Lets price it up ... you have to have 5 IJs & an equipment inspector.

Lets work on £80/night for a B&B twin rooms so you need 3.

Assume you get a local & an expat so their travel expenses would be say £50/head x 2 then 3 overseas assuming no-one has to come long haul so £200/head x3

Then say you offer them £40 / day subsistence.

All that is pretty budget and multiply it up over a 7 day event.

Expenses = 50x2 + 200x3 = £700
Accommodation = 80x3x7 = £1680
Subsistence = 40x6x7 = £1680

Total = £4060

That is a lot of a smaller class to sustain even for a 100 boat fleet it £40/boat on the entry fee.

I think for non-Olympic international classes a 5 person jury is OTT ...







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I Iy would help if someone could provide accurate details of the incident. If the incident caused serios damage or injury then a 2T penalty is not applicable and the boat should retire. It would only become a DNE if the Jury decides that rule 2, Unfair Sailing was broken.

2. There is a lot of nonsense talked about the cost of International Juries. If the Jury costs a lot it is usually because the organisers think about recruiting their jury too late. First recruit a local judge (IJ or candidate IJ) at least a year in advance. Let him find - the Aussie/NZ/American judge who will be in Europe anyway. Then find two judges who live near a low cost airport linked to near the venue. Tnen the local judge and another from same country. Allow them to book very early and offer to reimburse them immediately they have bought there tickets (an IJ cannhave hudreds, if not thousands of euros/pounds out in fares).
Accomodation - self-catering, with club members or a B&B (as long as it is walking distance of the club)
Food - pay a reasonable per diem and let them get on with it (unless club can cater).

I am at an event at which the totoal cost of the jury is equivalent to about 8 entry fees. Travel expenses came in at less than 700 euros.


Gordon

PS Alternatively - invite me to the event and I will do the recruiting for you. Apply now for 2014 and 2015 events!
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Originally posted by E.J.

Yes I have been reading about this today and I can find nothing to suggest a accident must result in a DNE. He should have retired under rule 44 but that oversight would have ended in DSQ.


As it turns out the ijs enthusiasm makes no difference because he had to score that result anyway. 
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Yes I have been reading about this today and I can find nothing to suggest a accident must result in a DNE. He should have retired under rule 44 but that oversight would have ended in DSQ.
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Originally posted by E.J.

Sargesail, I'm sure you are right to be suspicious about my poor explantion of a situation I heard about second hand. I'm sure there must be more to it, but being objectively accurate in every technical sense is so much more tedious than the easy paraphrasing.

I'm more suspicious of the judges if I'm honest!
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Official dispensation. They do give it, but as far as I know they grumble. Their alternative of course would be to see a big reduction in International classes.
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Al- do you have to get official dispensation from ISAF for not running an IJ?  Or is it just something they turn a blind eye to if one isn't requested?
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You can only run without an IJ, using the "we're too poor" excuse, for so long before ISAF get a bit annoyed. As far as I know we got the IJ for the B14 Worlds through some generous sponsorship- I head FFV (French governing body) being mentioned.
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Sargesail, I'm sure you are right to be suspicious about my poor explantion of a situation I heard about second hand. I'm sure there must be more to it, but being objectively accurate in every technical sense is so much more tedious than the easy paraphrasing.
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Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by E.J.

The IJ, yes that another story. In a class that allows pumping in over 10knot and wont races until its 6, there is rarely anything for them to do that cant be sorted on the water in a grown up 'we go sailing because we like not cause its life or death' way. This is made worse when we need 5 to authorise a worlds and their expenses are over half of the entry fee!. Does not make sailing very accessible for class that is run on good will.

Why don't you do what the RS100s do(did?) and just not bother ...

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See NP post:



But is the RS100 still an ISAF class?  I'd have thought it would be an RS100 8.4 and RS100 10.2 now the vote split went through....   LOL    
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