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mangoman ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 09 Jul 09 Location: norfolk Online Status: Offline Posts: 69 |
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I'll explain where the name came from one day !! There is no way I could have ducked him, I just didn't anticipate his huge change of direction Looks like I'll just have to be more aware in future situations I probably should have hailed that I couldn't tack because of the moored boats to windward of me .... well they were about 30 yards away I guess .... takes me a long time to turn that thing round you know ...... perhaps I should have said I thought we were using AC rules.... |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Ducking would most likely have involved mangoman (I must ask you where you got that handle from, Mike) running headlong into a very solid navigation mark.
But Mike's objection seems to me the usual one to rounding windward marks to starboard. Port tackers have to ensure they have a lot of room to manoeuvre round incoming starboard tackers. That said, when I'm 20 boats back in a big fleet queued up on starboard coming into a port-rounded windward mark, those few extra boat-lengths that I'd need to sail to enable me to give way at a starboard rounded mark don't seem a bad option.
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laser193713 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889 |
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Could have just ducked him if you REALLY didn't want to tack! Unless I am mistaken there is no rule stating that "A boat on port tack shall be allowed to remain on port tack if that is her chosen direction up the beat, a boat on starboard tack must allow her to pass ahead so that she is not forced to tack undesirably."
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tgruitt ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2479 |
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But you wouldn't as the other boat was obviously not sailing upwind, on a normal beat with no mark you would have been both as close to the wind as possible. |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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I suspect, Mike, that you have fond memories of the proper rules of yore, in particular Rule 35 which stated that "the right of way yacht shall not alter course to prevent the other yacht from keeping clear..."
Except, that rule went on to say "except when assuming a proper course....when rounding a mark", so you'd have been stuffed then as well!
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mangoman ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 09 Jul 09 Location: norfolk Online Status: Offline Posts: 69 |
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Yes I suppose I did have room to tack and keep clear; just a bit miffed that it put me going in the wrong direction at the time. Anyway, as us who were there know with what happened with the wind later it made no difference ! |
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mangoman ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 09 Jul 09 Location: norfolk Online Status: Offline Posts: 69 |
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Mark was to be left to starboard and there was a strong tide pushing you down on to the mark just to exarcebate the situation Edited by mangoman - 22 Apr 13 at 11:57am |
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mangoman ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 09 Jul 09 Location: norfolk Online Status: Offline Posts: 69 |
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I was going to pass ahead until they altered course hardening up into the wind as they passed the mark; then they were coming straight at me so I had to tack to avoid the collision. I see it that they cannot alter course to get into that position forcing me to take avoiding action and should have held their course and gone behind me; if the mark had not been there and I was happily sailing along on port and I knew I was going to pass clear ahead and then they suddenly alter course I thought they had no rights ? |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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I guess this was at buoy 31, to be left to starboard before continuing on, on a port fetch as you say, to 30?
It was easy to over-stand 31 as the tide was sweeping you above it, so Mr Starboard's hardening up was probably done without malice, as he was just coming onto the beat again after close reaching in to the mark having overstood. He had to pay heed to Rule 16.1 "When a right-of-way boat changes course, she shall give the other boat room to keep clear". Apparently he did this though , as you were indeed able to keep clear?
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tgruitt ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2479 |
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Sounds like they are rounding the mark on the Stbd side of the boat. The other way to most racing. |
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