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    Posted: 22 Dec 12 at 12:20am
To get another view on funding, squads and youth drop-out rates, one could look at the biggest Skiff club in the world. 

The figures and facilities are interesting - $20 million p.a. (13 million pounds) in takings from the bar and poker machine use by 28,000 members translates into benefits like free boat storage; effectively free membership; subsidies for championships; arranging sponsorship; free beer and BBQ after every race; free races; and $500,000 p.a. other funding for sailing, including paying each 16 Foot Skiff $200 just for finishing a weekly club race, $475 for a personal handicap win in a weekly club race, and an EXTRA $10,000 prizemoney for the annual club championship and personal handicap points series. Kids are NOT pushed into squads (as that would keep them from 16 Foot Skiffs, which is what the club is all about) but Olympians are heavily supported (one got a club-owned waterfront house rent-free, I believe).

And all that largesse is centred on maintaining the fleet of 21 16 Foot Skiffs. The feeder classes (and feeding the 16s is what they are expressly for) comprise 25 29ers and Cherubs, a dozen Lasers, and 60 junior boats.

So even with enormous amounts of funding support, an ideal sailing environment (warm, open water and good winds) and high performance boats that you can (literally) get for free, you end up with about 60 "senior" sailors out of a production line of about 140 juniors at any one time. Given that many of the 60 senior sailors have been in the class for many years while the juniors are churning through, it seems that the youth/young adult dropout rate is very high even when cash, slower boats and squads aren't an issue. 

Dropout is a general problem for sports, isn't it? As Sport England says "47% of secondary aged young people are a member of a ‘sports club’ but that this drops to 17% amongst 16 to 19 year olds and then continues to decrease as people get older."

Is the drop out any worse in sailing, especially when one allows for the fact that so many of us switch to yachts in young adult years?


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I'm happy for UK Sport to be given as much money as they can beg, but not from me, not from the taxpayer, not from the Exchequer. Let the Lottery suckers pay if they want - suits me. At least they contribute voluntarily. 

In contrast, as a mere pleb, I will continue to meet the annual costs of my chosen sports, inflated as they are by various taxes imposed on clubs by central government, without any handouts, while I work full time into my 64th year, having seen no benefit in all that time ever accrue to an ordinary club member from any of these sporting jamborees, which seem only to provide a raison d'etre for the few who have to be supported by the many while they enjoy themselves.

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Now then, pray tell me why tax payer's money should fund grassroots sailing so little Tabitha and cousin Johnny have a taxpayer funded hot shower installed?  Really, folks... welcome to a 1st World issue.




Don't even get me half started.... I am 1000% in favour of this, UK tax money being spent in this country... much rather 'Johnny' in Britain than 'Johnny foreigner', sick and tired of "foreign aid" that just ends up in swiss bank accounts or child soldiers hands.....
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Originally posted by iGRF

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He's a bloody Brit as I had to keep reminding him, I haven't seen him in ten years and the last time we met I wasn't exactly myself, recovering from extreme head trauma, so we had a lot to catch up, he was a dinghy sailor who became a racing windsurfer after we met when he was an Apprentice sailmaker, worked for me for a bit before getting head hunted by Gaastra then he ended up in Aus, interesting he's now ended up in Lasers, reckons there's 45 - 50 on a Sunday in Sydney Harbour most weeks.

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45-50 Lasers on a Sunday in Sydney Harbour?  We've had 52 race so far this year in our club alone (not all at once, though), and there's four other fleets within 6km, plus another 10 fleets in other parts of the city. Typical fields for most clubs on an average weekend would be from 6 to 32 boats.

It's interesting to see how a strong scene can evolve, and "evolve" would be the operative word as there is no over-arching scheme or organisation.
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Cheap fanny hey? My you do paint a delightful picture of virtue for sailing girls of the 70's.... oddly enough the boats haven't changed that much though have they?

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Originally posted by pondmonkey



And for what it's worth, kids probably just dump sailing 'cos it pretty dull compared to other things like kitesurfing, beer and fanny.... 



Memories are fading a bit Jimbo, but oh how times have changed. As as a spotty adolescent in the early 70s I recall that the cheap and plentiful supply of 2 and 3 were the primary reason for joining a sailing club. The boats were OK too.
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Actually I think you'd find that government intervention isn't needed; nature and society will take care of itself with current lifestyle trends in play- it'll help mitigate the pension timebomb too if we all check out a bit earlier.

If we must have Government investment in sport, then truthfully sailing a) costs too much to offer reasonable ROI and b) probably wouldn't hit medical/sports science guidelines for calorific burn per hour to justify the investment (on health grounds alone)

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The taxpayer should fund grassroots sport because it is cheaper to do so than to fund medical treatment for the inactive and the unfit... prevention rather than cure.

It is especially important to fund children's and youth sport to establish good habits that will continue in later life.






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Originally posted by pondmonkey


Now then, pray tell me why tax payer's money should fund grassroots sailing so little Tabitha and cousin Johnny have a taxpayer funded hot shower installed?  Really, folks... welcome to a 1st World issue.



Totally agree.  A lot of the medal winning type money in fact comes from the public hopelessly lashing out on scratch cards and the like.  For the rest, the government has said it will not fund people's hobbies any more, which is fair enough.  Most of the schemes I mentioned earlier will still exist in this funding round, but if your club hasn't taken interest by now, it may be too late as there is belt tightening going on everywhere.


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