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    Posted: 27 Mar 11 at 10:38pm
Many submissions on Olympic classes for the ISAF Mid year meeting in May - See here... No remote sign of a consensus developing... As I probably predicted somewhere there's much support for keeping both M & F 470 classes from the smaller nations, also predictably much support to get Keelboat/Star back, also support for ditching keelboats completely (IMHO there would be a risk of killing paralympic sailing if they did this because I can imagine venues refusing to do lead mine facilities for just the Paras), some support for a lightweight female singlehander as *well* as the Radial, so 4 singlehanded dinghies, in fact some support for just about anything you care to mention.

Inevitable result is going to be much ****fighting, much politicking and and whole heaps of conspiracy theories and how ISAF are destroying sailing...

My view... I hold no brief for the 470, but the small countries badly want to keep it. To keep sailing in the games we need more small countries, hence they should be listened to.

Women's Skiff - well to my mind the world's female sailors have voted with their chequebooks with the spectacular (lack) of sales of the 29erXX. ISAF are unlikely to vote for a prototype, and I can't see any new class getting critical mass.

I don't believe there is a good slate of 10 events bearing in mind relative popularity of curent classes: no matter what they pick many sailors will feel reasonably justifiably upset. If you want two boards, two Lasers, 2 470s, Finn for its popularity, keelboats, catamaran, two skiffs that's 12...

My bias would be to pay little or no attention to what rich western countries who will always go to the games think: what the sport needs most is active countries, not the mirage of big TV coverage, so delegates, if you are reading this, I suggest you listen hardest to the voices of the folk from smaller and third world nations, especially Africans.

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It does seem like a bit of a mess to say the least.  There are so many different opinions out there that it is impossible to pick just 10 events that will please everyone.  For example, I personally think that mixed 470s is an obvious choice as it represents a large proportion of teams outside the Olympics.  I even saw calls for an evaluation on men's high performance singlehanders, again  


http://www.sail-world.com/UK/Yachting-NZ-announced-2016-Olympic-Events-submission/81262


This ones been going since what, the 60s?






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Originally posted by JimC


My bias would be to pay little or no attention to what rich western countries who will always go to the games think: what the sport needs most is active countries, not the mirage of big TV coverage, so delegates, if you are reading this, I suggest you listen hardest to the voices of the folk from smaller and third world nations, especially Africans.


+1 but I'd add in South America as a good target market and also indo-china (yes I know that's a dated term) as both areas have much greater access to sailable waters, coatal population centres and infrastructure to support developing sailing through schools... things, from my perception only, that are lacking in many African countries....
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Well I think it's ludicrous they are looking at Kitesurf course racing to replace windsurfing, when the sport hasn't even taken off beyond a few events last year and it is so in its infancy. Just another financially motivated decision to enable ISAF to gain revenue from what it perceives is a massive growth market, they're totally wrong of course, as always.

 How did that Paul henderson get to be in that position and remain there for so long? He thinks windsurfing should go because of the pumping.. jeez it's no different than the aggressive hiking activity I've now come to experience in dinghies, all that rocking about chucking oneself back and forth further and further to windward, isn't that exactly the same sort of kinetics?


AS to the boat thing I agree with JimC regarding the 470, my views on the 49er are documented elsewhere, it does make the whole sport look ridiculous if Olympians cannot control the object with which they are endeavouring to compete in.
It would be a similar mistake to use an MPS for example, so the Laser bless its cotton socks remains good sense.
The Finn should be replaced with the D1, that's an obvious course of action probably planned that way all along.

Wimmen? Do they sail even, all this equality of the sexes nonesense, I'm just starting daughter No 4 again, (1,2&3 did windsurfing) but it still messes with her hair and for sure as soon as she's out of my  influence she'll drop it like a stone, unless of course it involves Crystal and being moored in St Tropez.

And if they want a top end state of the art single and double hander, promote a competition for it, but with the caveat it has to be capable of being sailed with its standard rig in all weathers and water conditions.

I'll enter the V2  Wink


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In the end I assume we will end up with just 4 classes, by about 2028 - mens and womens double and singlehanded, because room needs to be made in the Olympic village for darts players and competitive knitters.

If that was the case, then what would those classes be? A Doublehander from 1960 and a singlehander from 1970? I may be a classic boat fan, but that doesn't really seem quite right...
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>from 1960... doesn't seem quite right

You mean as opposed to discus and javelin events from about 400BC??

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The Javelin is rather different to the one thrown back then, and sailing doesn't have the same problem as the javelin, which I believe they had to make less aerodynamic to stop it landing in the crowd. Mind you, it would make the field events more interesting!
 
By your reckoning they should be sailing Triremes at the games, then?
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Row triremes perhaps...
http://www.triremetrust.org.uk/
It would be rather splendid wouldn't it. But I think they'd have trouble fitting all 170 oarsmen on each step of a podium...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 11 at 8:41am
2 events turned into one, rowing and sailing combined, with the added sport that the winner is the last boat floating. You'd only have to fit the winning crew on the podium, especially in shark infested waters! And there you are - outdoor swimming can be combined with all this, too.
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I think we should have Kite surf pier jumping. What a great spectator sport. Morespills than downhill skiing Ouch
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