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Strangler ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 154 |
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Class rules can change certain RRS. For example the Flying Dutchman Class Rules [and other classes no doubt] allow 3 Do you agree with this interpretation? Any other class rule v handicap anomilies? |
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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Is it in the actual class rules, or in the standard sailing instructions for the class?
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surley the sailing instructions should take prestance over the class rules for any event other then a class event,IE the RS classes are allowed to touch the marks but only in RS events. Otherwise I would protest you under rule 42 |
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These are the 2001-04 rules as the only ones I could lay my hands on quickly The prescriptions of a national authority, class rules or SI may change a racing rule only as permitted by rule 86 which says a...,b..., c) class rules may only change racing rules 42, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53 & 54. So my interpretation unless - unless SIs say class rules doesn't change the RRS you can pump 3 times per wave in a handicap race if sailing an FD. Unless, of course the class rules say only at... events Garry |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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You're sailing in a handicap class race not a Flying Dutchman class race. So the extra pumps are banned. Just like the RS mark banging.
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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Jim: this does actually seem to be different. The three pumps are, after checking, in the class rules, whereas RS mark-barging is an SI thing. Class Rules can modify Rule 42, as said. The FD modifies 42.3
Some of the measurement/design rules (same document) for the FD also modify restrictions in the RRS. If handicap racing, it is usually accepted that you've got comply with class rules. Surely it is dodgy ground if you start saying that you've got to comply with some class rules but not others? Of course, whether ISAF should have allowed this is another point- surely, as SIs can modify 42, this would have been better handled in standard SIs? It seems foolish to me that Class Rules can modify rules with regard to the conduct of a race, as it inevitably would lead to these situations. |
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Doesn't matter. Nowhere in any handicap NOR I have seen does it mention class rules. You are sailing in a handicap event not a class event.. This extract from the Queen Mary SIs is typical...
So the classes bit is basically just a convenience to handicappers. You should be able to sail a boat out of class if you wanted provided that you notified the Race organisers so they could set an appropriate revised handicap... Of course its rumoured that some weight equalised classes have a habit of sailing in an out of class config without notifying the race organisers which is, to say the least, naughty. Edited by JimC |
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I was always fairly sure that a PY Handicap was given to a boat sailing to its class rules. So if its in the rules, you can pump 3 times.
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(from here, Part 1) would make Jim appear to be correct. |
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Yep; the boat must conform to class rules when MEASURED, so all up weight
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