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    Posted: 14 Mar 22 at 10:17am
As a longtime competitor in the Sailjuice series I am reflecting on my waning interest in it.
This is not cost related or anything to do with the competitors but I used to have more interest in doing the Silver Salvers (Dash) or Tiger Trophy or Brass Monkey etc.
I have been guilty of following my series result rather than getting everything, social and sailing out of the event. It seems they are losing the individual celebration of what they are over what the series organisers are trying to achieve.
I also have a niggling resentment over paying extra for next to useless tracking with highly inaccurate speeds being purported as the next big thing when in fact their origins are Chinese curfew tags. Also the advanced distant pre booking with little hope of a refund should circumstances change doesnt make it any better.
Clubs need to be reimbursed for their efforts not the hangers on as it appears to me.
I am certain I will have stats thrown at me re participation growth but is that potentially contrary now to what the stand alone event would achieve.
Now the clincher. At the Brass Monkey, a great event, the Phantom and the Punt couldnt win in their favoured conditions. I will just leave that out there.
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Regarding the Brass Monkey, is it not just the case that the RS400 can be sailed to its handicap in most conditions, and yesterday one turned up brimming with talent? Put it another way, if the same sailors had all been sent out in identical boats I wouldn't have bet against the event winners!

For me the big shame was to see just 36 boats starting the event, from an already hugely disappointing entry of just 50. Was it just bad timing with everything else going on  in the world, or has the Sailjuice format run its day? 

Be interesting to see what happens at the other excellent Northern winter handicap event next weekend, Blackpool and Fleetwood's Eskimo pursuit. Will £100 prize money be more of an attraction than Sailjuice Glory?

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Originally posted by Olderun

As a longtime competitor in the Sailjuice series I am reflecting on my waning interest in it.

Of 221 entrants who finished a race, only 57 did more than one race, and 28 more than two, with just 8 doing 5, so I think we can largely acquit the event of reducing interest in individual events.   

As for the Phantom and Punt not winning in their preferred conditions, perhaps they just didn't put in a good enough performance on the day? There's an awful lot more to winning a major event than just getting the right conditions, and handicaps make far less difference than people think.

The trouble I have with evaluating the success of a handicap system is how do you know what the 'right' result is?
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Yes I agree about their performance on the day and I wouldn't suggest the 400 didn't deserve it. Those two boats and their crews have handicaps which would be well to their detriment in spicier conditions. The two crews also have a track record for all to see.
I couldn't think of a better example of how things are swayed against them if they did perform to their usual standards which I believe they did. The 400 however has a far broader range of conditions to perform to its handicap as well as courses to suit.
I accept handicaps can't cover everything but would suggest the scope they are being applied to are too broad and may deter people.
For the first time in my life I am a full advocate of fleet racing as some of these results seems demeaning to others and totally worthless.
I think its gone too far and the series as a whole has lost any credibility.
As for the Great British sailing challenge that became farcical almost in its first year which brings me back to the point ,are they created as competitions or a useful means for those other than the Clubs to create revenue?
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Originally posted by Olderun

As a longtime competitor in the Sailjuice series I am reflecting on my waning interest in it.


Hi Olderun

  It would be great to have a more detailed discussion over your Sailjuice concerns,  perhaps you could email contact details info@sailracer.co.uk 

 The last couple of years have been challenging for many people,  and for those involved in event organisation a tough period.

 
 I look forward to hearing from you 

Simon   


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The obvious reason why neither the Norfolk Punt nor the Phantom did well at the Brass Monkey is that they were both designed in Norfolk/Suffolk. Perfect for on the flat, but hopeless in the mountains.
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Originally posted by Olderun

are they created as competitions or a useful means for those other than the Clubs to create revenue?

Mostly simply out of enthusiasm I think. I've talked to them a bit and the people behind Sailjuice had a vision they thought would make for more fun for competitors. I'm not sure I altogether buy into their vision, but I think enthusiasm for it was mostly what was behind it.

I suppose the biggest criticism I'd have comes with the numbers above. As can be seen from the numbers above, it can be argued that the national series thing offers most for the front of the fleet and those who are already committed to lots of travel, but to my mind we need to be doing most to boost the middle and tail end of the fleet where the obvious rewards of competing are smaller, and is where growth comes from. I guess the tracking maybe adds something to that, I don't know.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Olderun

As a longtime competitor in the Sailjuice series I am reflecting on my waning interest in it.

Of 221 entrants who finished a race, only 57 did more than one race, and 28 more than two, with just 8 doing 5, so I think we can largely acquit the event of reducing interest in individual events.   

 

With four events cancelled during the 2021/22 SailJuice Winter Series it is difficult to make comparisons to previous winters  
 


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A National series travelling over the days of shortest daylight and sailing in the coldest weather is an undertaking for the dedicated few.
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