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davidyacht ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345 |
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Interested in understanding how strongly posters really feel about PY. I have avoided adding any qualifying criteria ... let's keep it simples
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H2 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jul 17 Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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I had to "Neither Agree nor Disagree" - it is a flawed system but much like capitalism, it is the best one we have!
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ian.r.mcdonald ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 24 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 440 |
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The range of crew skill has the greatest effect. Its a system that is not perfect but doing a reasonable job
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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But only as a means of allowing unlike boats to race....which is a very poor second to class racing!
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Plenty good enough for the job required of it. Class racing is the obvious alternative if a more level arena is your desire.
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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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Most of the returns come from inland venues. Most of the posters on here sail at those venues. The system clearly works for some who sail on that type of water but it's not fit for purpose on open tidal waters.
Perhaps you should have let the pollsters qualify their votes with water types. |
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davidyacht ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345 |
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I was trying to avoid bias. But now that you invite it, I sail on an estuary, have done handicap and pursuit races inland, on the sea, open water, restricted water, in N12s, Merlins, I14s, Lasers, Solos, Mirrors, Salcombe Yawls. I have never ever felt hard done by the results. In most cases I have finished in the same quartile. My only qualification is that one off races with tidal gates can be skewed, but across a series this gets sorted.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Yes, it works. Could it be better? Probably, if more clubs which use it sent in returns, and if the granularity was reduced to temper expectations. Still would like to see groupings for different types of sailing area, rather than individual clubs having to make decisions based off too little data. Like Great Lakes but without the skewing towards top of fleet performance, if that is actually true.
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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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....and it is physically impossible to achieve the same accuracy for tidal and non-tidal waters with one set of numbers that are calculated from non-tidal returns......simple arithmetic says so. In some tidal locations there will typically be up to a 30% loss of speed for a slow boat while the faster boat may lose only 5. Worst case scenario: topper stood still, 400 doing 3 knots. With all due respect how you feel about it is, of course, very important to you but the facts are going in a different direction. ![]() Edited by Sussex Lad - 12 Apr 21 at 7:52pm |
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Grumpycat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
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Simple answer is yes. If you want a more in depth answer just read Rupert’s answer .
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