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They are chuffing expensive.
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Cross form Aero topic...
Originally posted by rich96

Chris also fails to mention that at the Laser Worlds etc the kit (including NEW sails) is provided ?.

As said previously there will always be exceptions and people who have performed well with older kit (well done to them) but the reality is that the top end of the Laser fleet need to keep using fresh gear more often than many other classes. If they chose not to they probably limit their ultimate performance accordingly.

If you are attempting to compete at a reasonable level why would you out that potential additional hurdle in your way ?. As a minimum you would want to know that you had good competitive kit ?

Who else had bought a new Laser sail and after a fairly short term noticed that the leech is fluttering away like the old sail. Why did Rooster add a reinforcement strip to the leech of their 8.1 ?

"The Rooster 8.1 sail is constructed with LONG LIFE and performance in mind. In addition to 4oz Dacron cloth in the main body, the leech is constructed of Mylar, as this is where the highest loads occur. This means that PERMANENT LEECH STRETCH is reduced to almost zero. Leech flutter in between battens is eliminated"

Why would we expect the Laser sails to be quality items (like a beautifully engineered and built OK sail for instance) ? We know that copies that are of least the same quality can be knocked out for less than £150 - you pays your money....

Hopefully the Aero sails will be much better.

As a general rule its probably fair to say that a decent Dacron sail will overall last longer than a mylar/similar sail but that its peak performance life will be less. Horses for courses.



Laser sails (whole boats actually) were supplied from the very first worlds, log before anyone was whinging about sail life. It was nothing to do with sail life, everything to do with promoting the boat as the most one design of one designs.
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I find it amazing that Laser sails set as well as they do on that terrible mast. A radial cut sail does make a lot of sense, though.

Personally, a 2 piece tracked mast with a radial cut sail would make the boat much more attractive to me, but then you'd muck up the class for the vast majority. Answer for me is to sail something different.
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I used a North windsurf sail today - it's better than a laser sail
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Originally posted by turnturtle

I used a North windsurf sail today - it's better than a laser sail

Better on a Laser or better on a plank?
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I put a North windsurf sail on a Tonic 15 or so years ago. Never got it working properly, but the potential was there. Be interesting on a Laser.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

I used a North windsurf sail today - it's better than a laser sail

Better on a Laser or better on a plank?


This is a forum, opinion doesn't need validation- it was simply superior, in every possible way..... if utterly the wrong choice of size by someone who's clearly forgotten how to read wind strength in offshore, inland breeze.
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Originally posted by JimC

Cross form Aero topic...
Originally posted by rich96

Chris also fails to mention that at the Laser Worlds etc the kit (including NEW sails) is provided ?.

As said previously there will always be exceptions and people who have performed well with older kit (well done to them) but the reality is that the top end of the Laser fleet need to keep using fresh gear more often than many other classes. If they chose not to they probably limit their ultimate performance accordingly.

If you are attempting to compete at a reasonable level why would you out that potential additional hurdle in your way ?. As a minimum you would want to know that you had good competitive kit ?

Who else had bought a new Laser sail and after a fairly short term noticed that the leech is fluttering away like the old sail. Why did Rooster add a reinforcement strip to the leech of their 8.1 ?

"The Rooster 8.1 sail is constructed with LONG LIFE and performance in mind. In addition to 4oz Dacron cloth in the main body, the leech is constructed of Mylar, as this is where the highest loads occur. This means that PERMANENT LEECH STRETCH is reduced to almost zero. Leech flutter in between battens is eliminated"

Why would we expect the Laser sails to be quality items (like a beautifully engineered and built OK sail for instance) ? We know that copies that are of least the same quality can be knocked out for less than £150 - you pays your money....

Hopefully the Aero sails will be much better.

As a general rule its probably fair to say that a decent Dacron sail will overall last longer than a mylar/similar sail but that its peak performance life will be less. Horses for courses.



Laser sails (whole boats actually) were supplied from the very first worlds, log before anyone was whinging about sail life. It was nothing to do with sail life, everything to do with promoting the boat as the most one design of one designs.



You have completely missed the point - Chris was saying how well his brother had done at a worlds and was using old kit.





Edited by rich96 - 23 Feb 15 at 8:24am
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how did he sail at the world using very old kit if the boats were supplied?  i'd be right miffed if i'd qualified for the laser worlds and turned up and was allocated some old bag of crap.
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