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    Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 12:49pm
Does the RYA mandate that any and all capsized boats need to be attended to by a rescue boat?

Sailing at different clubs I have seen widely different standards: open sea courses where the rescue just stands off 500m away in case anyone needs a tow home; versus rescue boats racing to attend a capsized laser (for instance) where the helm is already on the centreboard.

What is the required standard? Is there a standard?
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I will be running a coaching weekend next weekend for the musto skiffs in Scotland and I will make it clear to the competitors what the signal is for rescue required and make it clear that if we cannot see them post capsize then we will go and investigate so sailors should try to be visible early. This way the coach boat is not constantly chasing boats that are capsized when there is no problem.

I think a sensible rule is that if you can see the sailor and they are part of a normal boat righting process then I would look to not approach them further than the current rescue boat position as they are in no danger. Speeding up to boats righting a boat normally like it is an emergency just introduces the danger of running into them if the boat has a steering or engine control failure or the driver is not very good. This is also annoying to other competitors trying to sail through countless wakes from powerboats. 
 
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When I am doing a rescue duty and boats are over I do a head count and instruct the assistant to keep their eyes open too.

If they have laid over and are clearly on the board and getting the boat up then there is little reason to tear across the lake to get to them.

I certainly would not tear over to every capsized boat unless I could not see the right number of people with it or I felt they were in need of immediate assistance.

Most people so attract the attention of the boat when they need it (arm waving etc..).

If it is a boat where there is a higher risk of entrapment (kite boat, trap boat and the like) then I would always move towards the boat and be prepared to assist.

We do have something in our SIs that state if a rescue boat is actively involved in rescuing/recovering then they have right of way.
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Having been a member of a club with arguably the best rescue cover in the country, I'd say common sense need apply- that's certainly the case there and it works very well.  It's possibly one of the most benign environments to sail in.

I only ever had words with the rescue coverage once in ten years....  that being a rather over-zealous kid who tried to tell me that he would ask me to leave the water if I kept capsizing as I was according to him 'monopolising his time'.  Funny thing was, I don't recall signalling for him, or indeed needing any rescue due to injury or gear failure.  

It was my third or fourth time sailing the Musto- therefore hardly unheard of put it in the piss at least once on every downwinder whilst I got used to hoisting, gybing and dropping the kite.  If buzzing up to me helped keep boredom at bay, then fair enough, but his attitude stank.   
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johnreekie and jeffers  both make  very straightforward  but  sensible points that strike a good balance.

I've previous suggested that part of the problem with rescue  sometimes  is that unless  they are racers themselves they closely follow the training they  were given   when doing their powerboat course -  which tends to be very much  abinitio  instruction focused  , ditto with  rescue boats   tearing  through the fleet   unless there's  a definite life threat , for the few seconds  it takes to pick the spot to cross the fleet / go 'behind' the pack  vs the hassle of barging through  putting   the rescue boat and the other sailors  at greater risk ... - do wonder if that  was also where Knee wreckers issue with the over zealous kid was ...  it would not suprise me  if  he genuinely was 'a kid' that   the ink was barely dry on this PB2 and /or Dinghy  Instructor  tickets ... 

in the past when doing rescue for racing  i would make towards  any  boat that  goes over  and assess  very much as john suggests in his post 

If the headcount is off  or someone is obviously struggling to the extent of putting themslves and others at  risk  then it's time to engage and work on the basis of  saving life and limb , ditto if it;s  heavy weather than there are significant numbers of capsizes / broaches happening .

 The rule has to be  once you've  accepted the help the rescue boat  'commander' is  IC the incident  until s/he  decides the incident is resolved.

Edited by zippyRN - 13 Oct 14 at 3:37pm
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kneewrecker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 3:32pm
yep- definitely a kid, and at the time, got the impression he was rather fond of any excuse to burn around on the rescue boat.  It was several years ago now mind, and it was a cocky turn-of-phrase, not some club mandate that got my goat... and I only posted as it was the single and only time I have had issues with the rescue cover at that club- which to me suggests they get it nigh on 100% right using common sense and watchful eye.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tgruitt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 4:02pm
Rescue boats are not mandatory are they?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kneewrecker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 4:07pm
depends on whose legislation - RYA, no.  But part of the lease agreement at Draycote is AIUI, 100% rescue boat uptime- hence why there are water opening and closing times.  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tgruitt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 4:28pm
Originally posted by kneewrecker

depends on whose legislation - RYA, no.  But part of the lease agreement at Draycote is AIUI, 100% rescue boat uptime- hence why there are water opening and closing times.  


Ah fair enough, thanks!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote getafix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 4:30pm
IIRC from PB Lev 2, the instruction is to stand off until asked, unless you can see something the crew cannot or you believe there is a danger/dangerous situation.  

I picked up a crew once who'd got swept away from a capsized Wayfarer, very strong tidal flow, when I came back to the boat with her onboard, the helm (on the plate) shouted at her for accepting assistance! There was an exchange of views at that point but by the time they got back ashore, he sought us out (me and the RB crew) and offered to buy us a drink by way of apology. Just as well, he was a big fella!
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