Rescue mandated to attend capsize?
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Topic: Rescue mandated to attend capsize?
Posted By: roadrunner
Subject: Rescue mandated to attend capsize?
Date Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 12:49pm
Does the RYA mandate that any and all capsized boats need to be attended to by a rescue boat?
Sailing at different clubs I have seen widely different standards: open sea courses where the rescue just stands off 500m away in case anyone needs a tow home; versus rescue boats racing to attend a capsized laser (for instance) where the helm is already on the centreboard.
What is the required standard? Is there a standard?
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Posted By: johnreekie1980
Date Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 12:54pm
I will be running a coaching weekend next weekend for the musto skiffs in Scotland and I will make it clear to the competitors what the signal is for rescue required and make it clear that if we cannot see them post capsize then we will go and investigate so sailors should try to be visible early. This way the coach boat is not constantly chasing boats that are capsized when there is no problem.
I think a sensible rule is that if you can see the sailor and they are part of a normal boat righting process then I would look to not approach them further than the current rescue boat position as they are in no danger. Speeding up to boats righting a boat normally like it is an emergency just introduces the danger of running into them if the boat has a steering or engine control failure or the driver is not very good. This is also annoying to other competitors trying to sail through countless wakes from powerboats.
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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 1:01pm
When I am doing a rescue duty and boats are over I do a head count and instruct the assistant to keep their eyes open too.
If they have laid over and are clearly on the board and getting the boat up then there is little reason to tear across the lake to get to them.
I certainly would not tear over to every capsized boat unless I could not see the right number of people with it or I felt they were in need of immediate assistance.
Most people so attract the attention of the boat when they need it (arm waving etc..).
If it is a boat where there is a higher risk of entrapment (kite boat, trap boat and the like) then I would always move towards the boat and be prepared to assist.
We do have something in our SIs that state if a rescue boat is actively involved in rescuing/recovering then they have right of way.
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Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 1:33pm
Having been a member of a club with arguably the best rescue cover in the country, I'd say common sense need apply- that's certainly the case there and it works very well. It's possibly one of the most benign environments to sail in.
I only ever had words with the rescue coverage once in ten years.... that being a rather over-zealous kid who tried to tell me that he would ask me to leave the water if I kept capsizing as I was according to him 'monopolising his time'. Funny thing was, I don't recall signalling for him, or indeed needing any rescue due to injury or gear failure.
It was my third or fourth time sailing the Musto- therefore hardly unheard of put it in the piss at least once on every downwinder whilst I got used to hoisting, gybing and dropping the kite. If buzzing up to me helped keep boredom at bay, then fair enough, but his attitude stank.
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Posted By: zippyRN
Date Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 3:27pm
johnreekie and jeffers both make very straightforward but sensible points that strike a good balance.
I've previous suggested that part of the problem with rescue sometimes is that unless they are racers themselves they closely follow the training they were given when doing their powerboat course - which tends to be very much abinitio instruction focused , ditto with rescue boats tearing through the fleet unless there's a definite life threat , for the few seconds it takes to pick the spot to cross the fleet / go 'behind' the pack vs the hassle of barging through putting the rescue boat and the other sailors at greater risk ... - do wonder if that was also where Knee wreckers issue with the over zealous kid was ... it would not suprise me if he genuinely was 'a kid' that the ink was barely dry on this PB2 and /or Dinghy Instructor tickets ...
in the past when doing rescue for racing i would make towards any boat that goes over and assess very much as john suggests in his post
If the headcount is off or someone is obviously struggling to the extent of putting themslves and others at risk then it's time to engage and work on the basis of saving life and limb , ditto if it;s heavy weather than there are significant numbers of capsizes / broaches happening .
The rule has to be once you've accepted the help the rescue boat 'commander' is IC the incident until s/he decides the incident is resolved.
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Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 3:32pm
yep- definitely a kid, and at the time, got the impression he was rather fond of any excuse to burn around on the rescue boat. It was several years ago now mind, and it was a cocky turn-of-phrase, not some club mandate that got my goat... and I only posted as it was the single and only time I have had issues with the rescue cover at that club- which to me suggests they get it nigh on 100% right using common sense and watchful eye.
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 4:02pm
Rescue boats are not mandatory are they?
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Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 4:07pm
depends on whose legislation - RYA, no. But part of the lease agreement at Draycote is AIUI, 100% rescue boat uptime- hence why there are water opening and closing times.
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 4:28pm
Originally posted by kneewrecker
depends on whose legislation - RYA, no. But part of the lease agreement at Draycote is AIUI, 100% rescue boat uptime- hence why there are water opening and closing times. |
Ah fair enough, thanks!
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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 4:30pm
IIRC from PB Lev 2, the instruction is to stand off until asked, unless you can see something the crew cannot or you believe there is a danger/dangerous situation.
I picked up a crew once who'd got swept away from a capsized Wayfarer, very strong tidal flow, when I came back to the boat with her onboard, the helm (on the plate) shouted at her for accepting assistance! There was an exchange of views at that point but by the time they got back ashore, he sought us out (me and the RB crew) and offered to buy us a drink by way of apology. Just as well, he was a big fella!
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 4:38pm
We have written into our SIs that help to safely reboard a boat is acceptable outside assistance.
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Posted By: iiitick
Date Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 4:48pm
For some reason we are told to call our 'rescue boat' a 'patrol boat'.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 4:55pm
I think we are still on "safety boat"...
Rescue boat implies they might rescue someone, so if they don't, they might get sued.
Just rubbish, isn't it?
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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 4:56pm
Originally posted by iiitick
For some reason we are told to call our 'rescue boat' a 'patrol boat'. |
I think we call ours an 'Assist Boat' officially.
All for legal reasons (and insurance) as rescue implies too much (apparently).
We also have something written in the SIs that if you are helped by the assist boat then you are allowed to continue racing in club events. Usually by the time assistance has been rendered you are usually so far off the lead that position doesnt matter and completing the race is more of a reward!
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Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 4:57pm
Originally posted by JimC
We have written into our SIs that help to safely reboard a boat is acceptable outside assistance. |
well that's nugget of wisdom that should be shared more often for club racing...
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 4:59pm
You are allowed to receive outside assistance for various reasons and carry on racing - I guess the danger one would apply to picking up a crew who is separated from the boat.
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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 6:38pm
Originally posted by JimC
We have written into our SIs that help to safely reboard a boat is acceptable outside assistance. |
I'd like to find anyone (jury or bystander) who would take exception to it, if you have your crew picked up and brought back, unless you carry on racing while this is going on, just seems sensible and hardly providing unfair advantage, most sports provide for assistance to enable competitors to carry on (magic sponge!) and while I appreciate the "seamanship" aspects of sailing, it shouldn't override common sense
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Posted By: balladsailor
Date Posted: 14 Oct 14 at 10:32am
Haversham instructions to Safety crew is that all capsizes should be checked to ensure that all is ok. This is relatively easy on a smallish lake, without the need to tear through the fleet and disrupt the rest of the fleet. This came about after a seemingly innocuous capsize resulted in someone spending far too long in the water and becoming a hypothermia case. Head count is the obvious first step, but I'm sure we can all remember situations where potential disasters have been narrowly averted.
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Posted By: Buzz
Date Posted: 14 Oct 14 at 11:02am
We advise that in the event of a capsize the safety boat should count heads and proceed slowly towards the capsized boat in case assistance is required. We would stand off and only help if asked to do so. In the event of a person becoming separated from their boat we would reunite the person with their boat We also advise that if asked to assist a dinghy the safety boat crew should ask the dinghy crew what they want done particularly if the safety boat crew are unfamiliar with that type of boat. If something happens the safety boat crew inform the safety co-ordinator so they know whats going on.. We have procedures for calling ambulance or coastguard and for marking boats which have been abandoned but whose crews we have taken off.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 14 Oct 14 at 12:14pm
Originally posted by getafix
[QUOTE=JimC]I'd like to find anyone (jury or bystander) who would take exception |
No-one takes exception, that's why it's in the SIs. But if you don't put it in the SIs you're giving your beginners a message that the rules don't matter, only some mythical spirit, and that may have undesirable consequences.
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Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 14 Oct 14 at 1:24pm
An issue with capsizes at our place is masts getting stuck in the mud. Does not cause breakages, just un-rightable boats. So we changed our rules to allow safety boat crews to assisting bringing the mast to no more than horizontal without an obligation on the competitor to then retire.
there is a safety benefit in that the safety crew is not distracted hovering around a crew that are safe (if with a mud-bound mast) potentially missing something more serious.
Interestingly, laser radials get stuck really easily, but a full-rig rarely does so, presumably thanks to longer mast and shallower angles of mud-penetration
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Posted By: fleaberto
Date Posted: 14 Oct 14 at 3:48pm
Originally posted by iiitick
For some reason we are told to call our 'rescue boat' a 'patrol boat'. |
Ditto here ..... 'Patrol' - and it's something we DID use when an ex-member voiced a rather vociferous beach-side rant as to why "Safety boat didn't attend" (We legitimately used 'Patrol' not 'Safety' along with rule one: 'Responsible for yourself and your craft etc....)
When I'm on PB, I just like to hover around the racecourse, keep an eye on gybe marks and just go and check/standoff capsized boats just in case. I'll always shout/ask if all is ok just for my own piece of mind and just keep an eye out really.
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Posted By: gordon
Date Posted: 14 Oct 14 at 4:33pm
Rule 41(a) allows help for a crew member who is ill, injured or in danger.
A crew separated from a capsized boat, especially in any current, is in danger, and can be returned to his boat.
If it is felt necessary, a suitable SI would read:
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to RRS 41: (e) help to recover from the water and return on board a
crew member, provided the return on board is at the approximate
location of the recovery. When the crew member is returned on board,
and before continuing to race, the boat shall take a One-Turn Penalty
The last sentence is optional and is intended to satisfy the ultra-purists who insist that a boat who receives help in recovering a crew has broken a rule
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Posted By: pondscum
Date Posted: 14 Oct 14 at 8:20pm
Originally posted by fab100
An issue with capsizes at our place is masts getting stuck in the mud. Does not cause breakages, just un-rightable boats. So we changed our rules to allow safety boat crews to assisting bringing the mast to no more than horizontal without an obligation on the competitor to then retire.
there is a safety benefit in that the safety crew is not distracted hovering around a crew that are safe (if with a mud-bound mast) potentially missing something more serious.
Interestingly, laser radials get stuck really easily, but a full-rig rarely does so, presumably thanks to longer mast and shallower angles of mud-penetration |
And Rooster 8.1s even less!
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Posted By: zippyRN
Date Posted: 15 Oct 14 at 12:09am
Originally posted by iiitick
For some reason we are told to call our 'rescue boat' a 'patrol boat'. |
possibly based on a interesting reading of the MCA rescue boat code and/or interpretation of the 'provided for the public good ' , especially if you are inland.
"1.6 The level of safety that this Code sets out to achieve is considered to be commensurate with the current expectations of Rescue Boat Organisations, those to whom that give assistance, and of the MCA that tasks those Organisations that are Declared Facilities for UK SAR."“ Definitions ... Rescue Boat Organisation” (RBO) means the whole Organisation involved in operating and supporting the Rescue Boat. The term applies to all Rescue Boats, including those that operate as a Declared Facility to HM Coastguard; “Rescue Boat” means a boat designed, constructed, maintained and operated to the Rescue Boat Code and includes rescue boats operated by life-saving/ life guarding clubs. A Rescue Boat can be defined as operating for the ‘public good’, either on a voluntary or professional basis, but not on a commercial basis. It may be appropriate for some other organisations that operate dedicated Rescue Boats, such as the Fire Brigade, Airport Authorities, Police etc. to come under the terms of this Code; the 'it;s not a rescue boat it;s a <insert other word > boat is possibly because of
" 3.1.6 The following craft are excluded from the provisions of the Code: • Declared all weather life boats • Flood water rescue and fast water rescue (swift water) boats and other boats used on non-navigable waters all of which have specific risks associated with submerged hazards and especially swift moving water and that of an urban environment due to pluvial flooding. The Code of Practice for Open Rescue Boats of Less than 15 metres in Length Rev. 05/13 12 of 155 • Rescue Boards, canoes or any other non-mechanically powered floating device • Workboats on a semi permanent patrol deployed in a rescue capacity It is appreciated that some Rescue Boat Organisations may currently use craft of the above excluded types to facilitate rescues. Organisations are advised to carry out local risk assessments on the use of this equipment. Although this Code is intended for open rescue boats those aspects of the Code not relating to the boat construction, equipment and layout are equally relevant to any rescue boat and it is recommended that, where appropriate, these aspects are followed by the Rescue Boat Organisation of these types of boat. " but it seems forgetting
"3.1.4 This Code does not apply to safety boats which are used to support waterbased activities and which are not for the general ‘public good’. Nor does this Code apply to rescue boats which are in commercial use."
"3.1.5 The rationale for not including safety boats is that the Code is written using the whole basis of Management Structure, Training, Equipment, Operational Procedures, etc. available to Rescue Boats, some of which may not be available to safety boats. Additionally, safety boats tend to be ‘event based’ rather than response orientated and as such may not be suitably equipped, or manned by appropriate personnel, to fulfill the range of activities typically undertaken by Rescue Boat facilities."
"3.1.7 This Code has been developed largely for sea-going Rescue Boats. Alternative provisions may be accepted for Rescue Boats which operate in restricted environments, where full compliance with the provisions of the Code is unreasonable, based on the local risk assessment. " the question also has to be asked is are sailing clubs providing a safety boat for their own activities 1. a 'Rescue boat organisation ' 2. providing a rescue boat for the public good i would suggest not or whether they fall under the 'out of scope' statements in 3.1.4 and 3.1.5 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/330757/rescue_boat_code_final_rev_5-13_02.07.13.pdf
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 15 Oct 14 at 8:38am
Nice find Zippy. So, that would be where the term "safety boat" has come from, and as a club that would appear to be the correct name.
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Posted By: zippyRN
Date Posted: 15 Oct 14 at 11:11am
Originally posted by Rupert
Nice find Zippy. So, that would be where the term "safety boat" has come from, and as a club that would appear to be the correct name.
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having found and read the Rescue Boat Code i'd agree
although it doesn't say in explictly the code seems to be to cover the not insignificant number of Independent ILBs .
there's confusion elsewhere as I have heard suggestion that the Rescue Boat Code was the final nail in the operation of St John Ambulance safety boats , which were event based andprimarily there not as rescue boats (although equippe das such) but to provide Ambulance skills to complement the rescue boats where the risk assessment said they were needed) . In the case of the SJA boats the majority of the other nails were knocked in by it being a 'none core activity' ( core activities for SJA being First aid and H+S training, first aid at events, road ambulances and the youth groups) / training overhead for asuch a limited number of schemes / financial issues with the old county structure not helped by the money peeved up the wall on 'social care project' inland waterways boats which were losing tens if not hundreds of thousands a year and appeared to be grandstanding 'pet projects' for senior volunteer managers in the old counties.
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Posted By: blueboy
Date Posted: 22 Oct 14 at 10:21am
Originally posted by roadrunner
Does the RYA mandate that any and all capsized boats need to be attended to by a rescue boat? What is the required standard? Is there a standard? |
No there is no standard.
I once did safety boat at an I14 sea meeting where at any one time half the fleet was upside down. With the ratio of safety boats to competitors it would have been physically impossible to attend all capsized boats. Did that mean we didn't have enough safety boats? I don't really think so. It was (of course) an experienced fleet.
You should try to get close enough to do a head check. If someone is signalling for help, you should obviously attend as soon as possible. Otherwise, you are monitoring for boats that have been capsized for more than a few minutes.
I think what you are interpreting as different standards can simply be a result of the number of safety boats in attendance and the prevailing conditions. Mostly, safety boats are underemployed and may be bored and looking for something to do!
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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 22 Oct 14 at 11:23am
I was Rescue for a large Merlin event when a line squall knocked out a large proportion of the fleet, the most scary aspect to me was leaving boats using "the RYA method", i.e. boat on side one crew inside the boat, unattended, to check if other crews were safe. If these boats turtled you could not guarantee that the crew would not get trapped.
One other observation, is that whilst there may be something to admire about the person who is so single minded that they are going to get around the course despite multiple capsizes, there comes a point where these people clearly tie up a limited resource.
Often this is in a situation where the RO has to make a decision about protecting the less able sailors from themselves, whilst allowing experienced sailors the chance to sail in conditions that they live for.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 22 Oct 14 at 11:57am
I do share your doubts about the scoop method. whilst its quick and easy in moderate conditions I find that the Australian Navy 'rig to windward' method is much easier and much more likely to recover the boat first time in extreme conditions, and I think it should be taught.
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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 22 Oct 14 at 12:15pm
Not forgeting the San Francisco Roll, which probably is not condoned in any training manual, but is highly effective, and I wish more sailors should practice it in benign condititions.
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Posted By: blueboy
Date Posted: 22 Oct 14 at 1:46pm
Originally posted by JimC
the Australian Navy 'rig to windward' method |
Can you describe please?
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Posted By: zippyRN
Date Posted: 22 Oct 14 at 2:33pm
San franscisco roll = turning a windward capsize into a leeward capsize by righting the boat and being swpet under the hull as the boat rights,and then capsizes again to leeward - you still need to have the strength and reserve to do 2 capsize recoveries and get back aboard
Jim care to descrbe the rig to windward approach, if it;s what i think it many i think i've done it in two man boats before - very much like the scoop method but the person who says in has to settle and stabilsed the boat before recovering their crewmate who is to leeward initially over the stern.
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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 22 Oct 14 at 2:58pm
Ref. San Fransciso Roll, this is a really useful tool if the rig is pointing upwind, and you know the boat is going to come on top of you, particularly in singlehanders, but also used it in 14's. In these situations you would probably be doing a sequence of capsizes, if you go straight to the SF roll, yes you have to capsizes, but if you do it right, the first one is power assisted as the wind does the work, and the second is easy, because you should be on top of the board and to windward of the boat.
This works really well in Solo's, because 1. in a normal situation it is a high climb up onto the board, and 2. also when you do the roll, the boat will eventually come up pretty dry, 3. there is less chance of getting separated from the boat when you have to swim around the boat!
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 22 Oct 14 at 3:14pm
Australian Navy method.
You need the rig to windward, which is rarely a problem!
Crew stay together, and can both bring the boat up from inverted if necessary.
Then one (A) gets on the board, the other (B) goes to the bow. As the sailor on the board gets ready to lift the mast B ducks under the jib and goes to the shroud (the under water side one). As the boat comes up they wrap *both* arms round the shroud and just hang on, making no attempt to get in the boat at all.
Instead B stays hanging on the shroud, and with that much weight so well and securely placed the boat will not flip over. With B holding on the shroud their body drag acts as a sea anchor and the boat, which would have been cross wind when started, will sit steadily hove to.
A may have rolled into the boat as it came up, but on boats with low and long booms are probably better advised to drop into the water to avoid the boom. If in the water they go to the stern, and climb in, the boat will stay hove to with the sailor on the shroud. With the boat hove to A sorts out rudder, ropes etc, and then finally helps B into the boat, which is readily done with the boat hove to.
Not the quickest method, but the only time I've known it not work first time is when the sailors were so light that the one on the board couldn't lift the mast enough for the wind to catch it.
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Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 22 Oct 14 at 10:16pm
The capsize recovery method I really cannot understand is the one where the crew gets inside the boat and throws the jibsheet over to the helm, who then pulls on it while they lean back.
Maybe it's just the boats I sail, but if the wind is strong enough for you to capsize then you're unlikely to be able to right the boat with the jib sheeted in, and secondly if the jib is sheeted in then the bow will blow away to leeward and everything can go pear-shaped.
BTW I thought the idea of the SF roll was that the boat DOESN'T capsize a second time, because the sailor holds onto the centreboard and effectively becomes ballast while they reach around and grab the windward gunwale and/or the drag of their body swings the rig around.
The other great trick to come from San Francisco is the Bennett's Bath, which is quite fun! But it's a way to turn the dreaded high-speed downwind roll to windward into a high-speed dunking and therefore a capsize prevention technique.
While I'm rambling - back in the 1800s, some leading authorities campaigned to DSQ boats that capsized because once one boat went in, the law of the sea meant that all racing boats nearby had to stand by them as they were a vessel in distress. This distorted the race if the boat that capsized was something like a Rater or Canoe that could be righted almost immediately and with no problems. For example, someone (maybe Morgan Giles) wrote about an incident in which Linton Hope capsized his Rater on the Solent. Giles headed his own Rater back to help as he felt he had to do (there were of course no outboard powered rescue boats at that time) only to see Hope just hop onto the centreboard, right the boat with no water aboard, and sail away, having (IIRC) increased his lead because Giles was trying to help him.
It was an interesting vignette to me because it underlined once again that ancient rules and attitudes that seem nonsensical were often highly logical and practical at the time they were created. One thing that hasn't changed is that AFAIK crews still often check that everything is OK when a boat capsizes in a race, which is nice to know.
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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 22 Oct 14 at 10:37pm
Yes if you are lucky you may catch the boat before she goes over again, all in all a useful tool.
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Posted By: zippyRN
Date Posted: 23 Oct 14 at 12:53am
Originally posted by Chris 249
The capsize recovery method I really cannot understand is the one where the crew gets inside the boat and throws the jibsheet over to the helm, who then pulls on it while they lean back.
Maybe it's just the boats I sail, but if the wind is strong enough for you to capsize then you're unlikely to be able to right the boat with the jib sheeted in, and secondly if the jib is sheeted in then the bow will blow away to leeward and everything can go pear-shaped.
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sounds like someone has been teaching it wrong then
it'sthe windward jib sheet that is used to right the boat backwinding the jib
as the rudder will generally want to turn the boat to windward and the classic position relative to the wind for the unassisted recovery of a leeward capsize ends up with the boat on a beam reach ... the recovered boat should then right itslef and sit hove to ...
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Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 23 Oct 14 at 2:29am
I know it's the windward jibsheet that's used, but while the hull will block the wind from the jib while the boat is well heeled early in the recovery, what happens when the boat comes more upright?
I can recall several incidents when the boat wouldn't come up at all because a jib was sheeted on, and if the wind is strong enough to capsize a dinghy hove to in the classical sense will often get blown over.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 23 Oct 14 at 7:59am
I'm with Chris on this. The scoop method with the rig to leeward is not IME reliable in big breeze for modern boats. The roll thing is the least worst option for singlehanders, but it's pointless at best for two handers because the Aus navy method works so well.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 23 Oct 14 at 8:12am
Surely each method has its uses because of the many different ways it is possible to tip a boat in?
If I go splat to leeward in a Comet Trio, then the RYA method is ideal. Huge splat down wind to windward in a Cherub, not so much.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 23 Oct 14 at 10:02am
The reason I rate the rig to windward method so much is that its reliable and repeatable for all levels of expertise and daring. The rig may have been to leeward when the Comet Trio capsized, but will it still be to leeward by the time everyone has got their breath back, sorted themselves out and got in position?
Surely you've seen people getting into capsize after capsize because by the time they are ready the hull has drifted downwind again? If that's happened they are stuck with either trying to bring the boat up very slowly and hoping a backed jib will blow the rig back downwind, or else trying the roll bit, which I would not be happy with recommending to people who weren't experienced.
With the rig to windward method it seems to work first time every time, and it may not even be necessary for the crew to climb on the board: if they can just lift the mast out of the water by tugging on the board from in the water the wind will do the rest. I very strongly recommend everyone tries it.
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