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    Posted: 09 Oct 14 at 12:17pm
Rather than post this on the double hander thread ... the Salcombe Solo Fleet is quite self sufficient and has a wide range of abilities.  Whilst we have an excellent class captain, plenty of the front runners help in motivating the fleet.  We have always recognised that if the front of the fleet swan off into the distance, the back of the fleet will become disenchanted.  

As a result over the years we have run "self help" training weekends, as well as hired in top coaches (Mark Rushall vvvvgood, Jim Hunt vvvgood), run tuning weekends (Charlie Cumbley vvvvgood, Jim Hunt vvvgood) and Rules weekends (Chris Atkins vvvvgood).

Whilst the training has been Solo specific and paid for by the fleet, we have also seconded our coaches to the Cadet classes for a Saturday morning session, which has been inspiring.

There is a very open relationship between the front and back of the fleet, everyone knows that they can chat with anyone to get advice on how to set the boat up, how to sail it aand how to sail around our harbour.

The effect is that a number of our fleet members have closed up with the front of the fleet when racing, and our drop out rate is negligable.  We regularly get between 15 and 30 Solos club racing.

The above has been acheived by self help, rather than any RYA initiative.

The club also runs a ladies that launch session on a Tuesday for all types of boat, the effect is that we now have a significant number of ladies sailing Lasers, Solos and Streakers.

The RYA have supported this later initiative in terms of helping obtain grants from Sport England for our fleet of Club Boats.

The RYA were also extremely helpful with regard to us obtaining Inspired Facilities Grants for our Changing Rooms.

I strongly believe that in any other sport we would expect coaching facilities, but coaching is not readily available in our sport, we tend to do all of our practice while racing.  

Tim Kerrison identified this as one of the areas that could be improved in the traditional approach to cycle racing, in Bradley Wiggins book he stated that traditionally cyclists turned up to the early events of the year and expected to work their way to fitness whilst Matthew Syed points to the need for 10,000 of purposeful practice in his excellent book Bounce.

Maybe posters could use this thread to share their experiences of coaching, and point toward good "pay for the day" coaches that can be brought in to improve the overal experience.
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I think it is important to have a coach who sails, or has sailed a similar type of boat.

We had a coach once who was very skilled in fast asymmetrics, but failed to see the issues in slow ones that weren't always apparent-wind sailing. Of course, many of the exercises are applicable to all classes, and the session was still a success, but more-informed comment on when to soak and when to heat up - a major part of slow asy sailing - would have been good.

If you want coaching in a symmetric class, I'd imagine the coach's background is vital.
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'self help' is always a good option  if there help is there 

the current  RYA offering  offers  'white badge' and 'blue badge' race training courses in the adult  syllabus  instead of just  the old level 4   which was  effectively red badge ...  that seemed to be a bit of a gap in the old  days of the G4/88 and g4/93 schemes ( showing my age now)


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Originally posted by zippyRN

'self help' is always a good option  if there help is there 

the current  RYA offering  offers  'white badge' and 'blue badge' race training courses in the adult  syllabus  instead of just  the old level 4   which was  effectively red badge ...  that seemed to be a bit of a gap in the old  days of the G4/88 and g4/93 schemes ( showing my age now)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote zippyRN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Oct 14 at 5:22pm
'davidyacht' i'm sorry  if you  didn't realise that   the RYA didn't  used to offer  Adult race training  between   introduction to racing  and anything  organised at  elite level , but i don't think it merits  profanity  on your behalf. 

the fact that  race training equivalent to the old  white and blue badges is  now part of the adult learners scheme   does  add  options . - thereused to be literally nothing which also meant a lot of instructors   never  developed  skills at  teaching or coaching racing beyond that required in the seldom run level 4 course 

Be careful who you are profane to , i'm  a suibstantial distance from you  but  if i'd had a dismissive and or profane response from someone local to me  i might consider  again my choice of club or class ...  as   someone who is a 'lapsed'  sailor  ( club racer, winter training attendee, AI before they inveted AIs , name on a  few bits of tinware ) but is seriously considering  becoming an adult returner   that could be  a bigger mistake than just losing  a membership fee ...  but   you donl;t have to worry aobut that becasue of distance.
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Both the National Sailing Scheme and the Youth Sailing Scheme offer, Start Racing, Intermediate Racing and Advanced Racing, as well as other specialist advanced modules such as Performance Sailing and Sailing with Spinnakers.  I'm not sure when the coloured badge scheme stopped, but it was quite a while back.

It's worth noting that a decent club racer can do a two day Club Race Coach course for around £70 and learn lots of useful on the water exercises as well as get training in delivering feedback, briefing, session planning etc.  Even if you aren't the best sailor in the club you can still be a good coach if you know how to put sessions together and can communicate with people.  We're all great armchair sailors because it's so much easier to see what's going wrong when you're watching, and sometimes that's as much as a coach needs
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My apologies zippyRN but your but I though you were being ironic, what on earth are red badge, blue badge, white badge, level 4, G4/88 and G4/93 ... 

All I was suggesting is that we have brought Guru's into our club to improve handling, tactics, rules and boat speed.  We have done this in house in the past, but I would suggest that known names such as Rushall, Cumbley and Cockerell will ensure a good turnout.

The benefit is increased turnouts in our one design club Solo fleet.  Although it would be great if this were delivered by the RYA it does not need to be, none of our sailors are looking for badges or certificates, they just want to sail faster.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bootscooter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Oct 14 at 6:30pm
Sounds like you've got a switched on fleet there, DavidY. To reduce costs and allow you to work it "in house" I'd suggest your club uses some of it's Champion Club money (if it's part of the scheme) to get some Club Coaches trained up by the RYA (taken from the front of the fleet perhaps) or if not a Champion Club the Club could pay for a couple maybe, as it is the Club that will benefit... (as Nessa says...)
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There is no more money in Champion Club, but you can get a coach for the day.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bootscooter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Oct 14 at 7:06pm
So will the RYA come and run Club Coach courses for you still?

I absolutely loved that course.... opened my eyes to proper coaching, which partially led to me applying for, and getting my current role up here in Lincs.
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