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Reuben T ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 13 Location: Lyme Regis Online Status: Offline Posts: 74 |
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A friend and I decided a while back to build a tiny boat to put the laser 2 rig on. We have finally completed this crackpot idea. It is just over 7ft(same as an oppy), has a 3.5ft bowsprit, and the boom overhangs the stern by about 3 ft. While it does sail, we are experiencing problems with huge amounts of weather helm due to the sharp bow digging in, and having the rudder much further forward than the laser2. We have raked the mast as far forwards as is reasonable but are still having trouble, are there any other ways to move the centre of effort forwards a bit without moving the whole rig?
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Well done on doing it, and not just talking about it, like the rest of us on here!
My first thought is, can you move the CLR aft? A rudder gantry? A longer bowsprit? |
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PeterG ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 822 |
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Loads of respect to you for taking it on. Best of luck with it. Your centre of effort from the sails is clearly too far aft relative to the lateral resistance of the hull. Something has to change. Putting the rudder on a gantry will reduce tiller loads and help a bit, but it won't solve the root of the problem. ![]() |
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Reuben T ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 13 Location: Lyme Regis Online Status: Offline Posts: 74 |
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Thanks, I have some spare ply that I could make a new daggerboard that is angled back to move the CLR if that would help. The rudder gantry sounds like a fairly simple job compared to the major surgery that would be required for a new bowsprit so I think I will try that first. Thanks
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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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thats brilliant, best use of a Laser 2 rig I've ever seen - this kind of thing might catch on a bit
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Everything I say is my opinion, honest
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2547 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Good work there. Go for the longest gantry you can hash up. Start big and then you can reduce if needed.
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Reuben T ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 13 Location: Lyme Regis Online Status: Offline Posts: 74 |
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Its definitely very good for honing your balance and trim skills, also it makes you realise the forces the rig actually exerts, that all other boats are stable enough for you not to feel. And if you want to improve your swimming then this is definitely the boat for you
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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Before you go for major surgery - is your rudder as balanced as it could be? All too often I hear people talking about weather helm , when what they have is a boat that isn'y being sailed flat and a rudder with a bit of aft rake in it.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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The thing about weather helm and all that is that most of the older books at least are completely wrong about it, because they take the view that the boat should just use the centreboard as CLR, and the rudder should be neutral. Not so. A decent setup on a dinghy balances the sideload between the two foils.
Your daggerboard looks a good way forward to me, but its not outside the range I've seen work, but the big thing of course is that the rudder is also a long way forward. I concur with Rupert that a rudder gantry will be a good thing and absolutely the first thing to try, but not only for balance, but also because you'll be able to have much more room in the boat and it will have much better ergonomics, which in itself will help. But also I think a big thing is that you have a very wedge shaped short little boat there, and I reckon she will hull steer like crazy when not absolutely bolt upright... I find it hard to believe in the bow digging in very much per se and affecting weather helm, but I do believe the hull is going to steer the boat a lot and there's nothing you can do about that... So yeah, get as long a rudder gantry as you can on there. If you can get the two foils in the same position relative to the rig they are in the Laser 2 that will be a pretty good place to start. Also with the foils farther apart everything will be a lot less critical, most notably the steering. |
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tick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 16 Nov 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 223 |
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I seem to remember a few years ago on here there was much talk of a six foot skiff. There were lots of drawings but did anyone ever make one? The rudder gantry seems a good idea to me but how about a rudder skeg?
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