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    Posted: 29 Jun 05 at 1:29pm
Originally posted by Ian S

Jim, sorry you felt aggrieved by being asked to jon the class assoc to do the 29er thing, but someone had to pay to organise it all and give up many hours of their time.. is it really that unreasonable to be asked to pay towards this?


I thought that was what the entry fee - something like 20% more than for our regular class at the same venue a few weeks earlier - was for! I'm not saying its right or wrong, just pointing out that it lost the event an entry.
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Originally posted by Ian S

So how many people here aren't members of their association and yet will still use an assocaition website to ask questions on??




That would be a good question for Mark to put up a poll on.


The Lark class allows you temporary membership for non-championship opens. How many other classes do that?

And I am a fully paid-up member of sailing club, RYA and CA. Both the RYA and CAs need to do a better job of getting the benefits message across to non members (but also need to make the benefits tangible).

I'm not sure you could get a protest thrown out because the protestor wasn't a member of the CA but in many cases (since sailing instructions normally require boats to have been measured) the lack of a valid measurement certificate could be reported to the race committee who would require one to be produced or score the boat DSQ Rule 78. But this isn't in the spritit of club racing (and a bit like using speed cameras to control speed) it might work but does not achieve the wider overall objectives.



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Unfortunately CA's do tend to be a bit of a circuit racers club, for the simple reason that it's the circuit racers who tend to care enough to get involved.

Generally it's a cultural thing in the clubs, it's the older, long standing sailors who seem to set the example of "there's no benefit in joining"; new sailors then take this as gospel.

At the end of the day the guy with a floating shed who sails 4 weekends a year is never going to join anything. From a club perspective he's easy money as he turns up to do his duties, and the club won't want to upset him by asking for extra money in case he leaves altogether.

Most classes do offer savings to their members, it's a hard message to get across though.  As for password protected websites.. well someone has spent the time to put it all together.. why should none members get the same advantages as members.

(As a quick aside, go to Class Training events, if you have no intention of ever doing an open you'll still learn loads about your boat, get more from sailing it and maybe clean up at your club if you pay attention and work hard.)

The RYA could have worked wonders here with the Champion Club and Charter, require a minimum percentage of regular club sailors to be CA members in order for the club to qualify. AFter all both Champion Club and the Charter are about promoting racing and observance of the rules..

Perhaps I'm just an utter fool for the amount of time and money I've poured into my CA over the years.

food for thought.

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i am a member of the cherub assn and i haven't even got a cherub, but I am involved with the class photography and sail one very now and then! I also race a laser at my club (dull i know) which i am borrowing but am not a member of the laser assn as I am never going to race the laser again becasue i hate them! so, do you think I should be a member of the laser assn becasue i club race one?
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Would it not be easy to put up club memberships by £2-3 a year and then pay the relevant associations that money for club racers.  Think how many people club race and do no more.  The associations would get hundreds of extra pounds a year that they could invest in paying coaches to go to individual clubs and give good class coaching.  This would surely encourage more people to go to opens, join the association, more funds........etc.  They could also provide a club racers association pack with tuning info etc.

Everyones a winner!!!!!

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