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Rupert 
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 Topic: How easy is it to sail?Posted: 01 Dec 10 at 12:40pm |
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I think you are right, GRF, the "will it fall over" test is an excellent one. And yes, a 600 falls over. Trouble is, the falling overness is also an indication of speed, most of the time.
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JimC
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Posted: 01 Dec 10 at 1:07pm |
Dunno, I've sailed boats that fall over in no wind with noone in them for years. Doesn't bother me. I just tie the shroud to the pontoon not the bow. I've watched boats of most classes fall over when left tied up at the bow anyway. |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 01 Dec 10 at 1:25pm |
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Well we don't have any pontoon to tie them up to and if they do fall over, they then get potentially several tons of water trashing their sails or masts..
I've just lost my five points on what makes a boat 'easy' post. Think it went 1)Not falling over 2)Rudder kicks up 3)Centreboard kicks up 4)Simple rigging & Controls 5)Assymettric single string hoist & pole. Edited by G.R.F. - 01 Dec 10 at 1:26pm |
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Rupert
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Posted: 01 Dec 10 at 2:25pm |
For a pond sailor, the list would probebly be different. For me, the falling over thing would be in there, not because it makes launching difficult (as Jim says, inland we have pontoons to tie to) but because it shows the boat has a basically unstable hullshape, so won't be "easy" to sail. Lifting rudder might be in there, but inland, the daggerboard/centreboard thing makes little difference, mostly, and can be argued either way. Simple rigging for me rules out having to put the sail in the mud and then lift the whole lot into the boat, Laser style. |
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JimC
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Posted: 01 Dec 10 at 3:24pm |
When I'm launching off a beach then I'm holding onto the boat so its not going to fall over anyway... I can't imagine ever wanting to let go because it will either blow out to sea or get blown onto the beach, and I relish neither... But then I will not sail on suicide shingle beaches. Once was enough. I want nice simple daggerboard rudder and centreboard so I can get some foil down immediately, little worry about getting out there and finding the centreboard won't move because there's a stone stuck between it and the case and none of this messing about with strings to try and get the foils down ("no the green one, not that's blue, the other green one... back a bit there,. no, not there") or worse still those stupid strings on rudder blades so you have to try and steer and pull a rope in at the same time, then do up a cleat... Then as far as single string systems are concerned, yes they are faster when all goes well, but I find the two string system safer when things are going wrong... It can be nice for novices to be able to get the pole in and the kite started down the chute before you drop the whole thing into the water. I do agree with you on the simple controls though! The Laser is a classic example of how things can become stupidly complicated... Edited by JimC - 01 Dec 10 at 3:25pm |
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ham4sand
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Posted: 01 Dec 10 at 3:25pm |
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mps is a 4 if a cherub is a 3
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John Hamilton
cherub 2645 - cheese before bedtime cherub 3209 - anatidaephobia laser 176847 - kiss this |
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jeffers
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Posted: 01 Dec 10 at 3:45pm |
So an MPS is easier to sail than a Cherub?
I would tend to disagree although I have sailed neither. I quite fancy a crack in a Cherub if I ever get the opportunity but not a Musto.
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Paul
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ham4sand
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Posted: 01 Dec 10 at 5:04pm |
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id say that the mps hurts more to start with, whilst the cherub still keeps surprising me even after sailing it for 2years
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John Hamilton
cherub 2645 - cheese before bedtime cherub 3209 - anatidaephobia laser 176847 - kiss this |
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