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    Posted: 31 Dec 09 at 2:40pm
I prefer keeping a foot of board (or as little as you can
without it fouling the boom too much) down all the way in,
the crew can jump out in waist deep water and then the helm
pulls the db out and gets the rudder properly up and out
the way. I've only once had a problem with that, being
slightly over ambitious and wiping out!
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Originally posted by English Dave

Make sure you have cunningham off when ashore. Although you
might think that the cunningham would depower the sail by
flattening it, the reality (until you are sailing along) is
different. I forget why

 

Fully battend sails power up as you add Cunningham / downhaul and kicker if you have it.

The least power will be with zero DH / Cunningham.

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I never think about dropping the main, probably because we can't. So it's the "handbrake turn" for us every time. It's certainly the easiest answer if you can drop it.

Agree with Neil on the launch method. Crew holds the boat by the windward shroud and you get in over the back. Get the board half way down, and when you're ready for the off, sheet the jib in, heel the boat to windward (helps the crew get in and also bears the bow away), then the crew pushes the nose offwind, and clambers in, then bring the boat flat and use the main to keep the boat stable while you get sorted and get your foils down.

Don't pull the kicker on until you're both settled and ready to sail it properly, otherwise you'll struggle with the power on/off switch.

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Launching....get everything ready, crew just forward of
the rack, helm climb in over the stern and get
organised, rig depowered, sheet in jib to bear away and
then when ready power up the main...

Don't take the battens out, use the sail controls to de
power with steering..you will find that power is your
friend and the 4000 is far kinder than the Vago when you
have the confidence to power up

Lee shore... keep it simple and stick to basics....drop
the main !..unless you know what you are doing the
handbrake turn is doomed to failure particularly with a
daggerboard and fully battened main!

Get on to the 4000 class association they will give you
lots of help.

The above has worked for me in my ISO/5000 and we have
failed trying lots of different methods ! Good luck
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Originally posted by Skiffybob

A good technique for coming in with
the wind up your backside is to spin the boat pretty-much
into wind about 100yds off the beach, let the jib go, get
the board right out.


Then if you put the boat onto the beam and push the
tiller all the way away from you (this stops the wind
pointing the boat dead downwind again), she'll slide in
sideways, and you use the main (grab i stright of the
boom), to keep it all stable.


If you need  bit of forwards at any point, just pop a
foot of the daggerboard back in for a few
seconds.



That sounds funky!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Skiffybob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Dec 09 at 6:06pm

A good technique for coming in with the wind up your backside is to spin the boat pretty-much into wind about 100yds off the beach, let the jib go, get the board right out.

Then if you put the boat onto the beam and push the tiller all the way away from you (this stops the wind pointing the boat dead downwind again), she'll slide in sideways, and you use the main (grab i stright of the boom), to keep it all stable.

If you need  bit of forwards at any point, just pop a foot of the daggerboard back in for a few seconds.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote FireballNeil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Dec 09 at 5:22pm
I would just say make sure there is no kicker on
whatsoever, and get the crew to hold the boat and hop in,
you need to steer and do mainsheet! also much harder to get
in the back of most boats
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For getting the 600 back into the harbour at Hill Head, with the wind SW (i.e. blowing across the entrance but straight onto the slipway (look for Hill Head on google maps, the one in the solent, my boat is in the dinghy park near the club house, it will make sense then)) I drop the main halfway well outside and upwind of the club house, and sail in on half a mainsail, sheeting in by pulling on one of the battens if necessary, then once past the breakwater i pull all the main into the boat and let the boat drift in on its momentum. If you can't sail the 4k in on just the jib then I recomend trying something like this. Just make sure to leave a lot more space downwind than you think you need to drop the main.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote English Dave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Dec 09 at 2:26pm
Make sure you have cunningham off when ashore. Although you
might think that the cunningham would depower the sail by
flattening it, the reality (until you are sailing along) is
different. I forget why
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Lukepiewalker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Dec 09 at 1:45pm
Without battens the balance would be off, and the drag from the flapping sail would be considerable. So handling would probably be interesting.
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