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FireballNeil ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 654 |
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I prefer keeping a foot of board (or as little as you can
without it fouling the boom too much) down all the way in, the crew can jump out in waist deep water and then the helm pulls the db out and gets the rudder properly up and out the way. I've only once had a problem with that, being slightly over ambitious and wiping out! ![]() |
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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Fully battend sails power up as you add Cunningham / downhaul and kicker if you have it. The least power will be with zero DH / Cunningham. |
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Skiffybob ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 842 |
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I never think about dropping the main, probably because we can't. So it's the "handbrake turn" for us every time. It's certainly the easiest answer if you can drop it. Agree with Neil on the launch method. Crew holds the boat by the windward shroud and you get in over the back. Get the board half way down, and when you're ready for the off, sheet the jib in, heel the boat to windward (helps the crew get in and also bears the bow away), then the crew pushes the nose offwind, and clambers in, then bring the boat flat and use the main to keep the boat stable while you get sorted and get your foils down. Don't pull the kicker on until you're both settled and ready to sail it properly, otherwise you'll struggle with the power on/off switch. |
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neilgb ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 20 Oct 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 29 |
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Launching....get everything ready, crew just forward of
the rack, helm climb in over the stern and get organised, rig depowered, sheet in jib to bear away and then when ready power up the main... Don't take the battens out, use the sail controls to de power with steering..you will find that power is your friend and the 4000 is far kinder than the Vago when you have the confidence to power up Lee shore... keep it simple and stick to basics....drop the main !..unless you know what you are doing the handbrake turn is doomed to failure particularly with a daggerboard and fully battened main! Get on to the 4000 class association they will give you lots of help. The above has worked for me in my ISO/5000 and we have failed trying lots of different methods ! Good luck |
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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That sounds funky! |
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Skiffybob ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 842 |
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A good technique for coming in with the wind up your backside is to spin the boat pretty-much into wind about 100yds off the beach, let the jib go, get the board right out. Then if you put the boat onto the beam and push the tiller all the way away from you (this stops the wind pointing the boat dead downwind again), she'll slide in sideways, and you use the main (grab i stright of the boom), to keep it all stable. If you need bit of forwards at any point, just pop a foot of the daggerboard back in for a few seconds. |
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FireballNeil ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 654 |
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I would just say make sure there is no kicker on
whatsoever, and get the crew to hold the boat and hop in, you need to steer and do mainsheet! also much harder to get in the back of most boats |
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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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For getting the 600 back into the harbour at Hill Head, with the wind SW (i.e. blowing across the entrance but straight onto the slipway (look for Hill Head on google maps, the one in the solent, my boat is in the dinghy park near the club house, it will make sense then)) I drop the main halfway well outside and upwind of the club house, and sail in on half a mainsail, sheeting in by pulling on one of the battens if necessary, then once past the breakwater i pull all the main into the boat and let the boat drift in on its momentum. If you can't sail the 4k in on just the jib then I recomend trying something like this. Just make sure to leave a lot more space downwind than you think you need to drop the main. |
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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English Dave ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 06 Location: Northern Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 682 |
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Make sure you have cunningham off when ashore. Although you
might think that the cunningham would depower the sail by flattening it, the reality (until you are sailing along) is different. I forget why |
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Lukepiewalker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341 |
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Without battens the balance would be off, and the drag from the flapping sail would be considerable. So handling would probably be interesting.
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