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    Posted: 19 Apr 06 at 8:16pm
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Is it true they've wiped rudderless and centre-board-less sailing from the preassessment?

Yep. I only needed to do the rudderless part but now even that has been removed. On my course I was the only one to actually make it round the triangular course with no rudder!

they have now removed the rudderless sailing! when i did my DI course 6 months ago, i spent a bit of time learning how to do that confidently, and it makes you really understand the boat handling a lot more. Taking that off the syllabus really is not a good move. How can you teach someone a technique if you yourself cannot do the manoevre.

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they have removed it from the assesment cos we have got an course running at the moment and the people on the course are special to say the least  cornish will know what i mean
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Having read these various posts I would like to comment, as an Senior Instructor, on the Advanced and DI situation.  The DI certificate is awarded to a wide range of abilities and some are quite poor in my experience.  However please remember that they are simply teaching light wind basic skills and little more.  There are skilled instructors who are total posers and poorly skilled instructors who are simply magnificent at putting people at ease but may not sail much themselves.  The SI task is managing a diverse team to achieve the final desired result.

The advanced endorsement is somewhat different and other posts have summed it up well - you should be able to sail a variety of different high performance dinghies - not just one type, have a good grasp of the controls involved on dinghies rigged to open meeting standards and be able to pass this information on to students who have liitle grasp of the theory of the airflow, low pressure areas etc etc.

Young instructors who fly round like little 'minkeys' and sail the pants of us oldies are often the holders of the Advanced but they cannot pass the information across particularly well - once again a balancing act is needed from the SI view but the over-riding aspect is that if you want to take the Advanced then go out and have a few days blasting in anything you can get your hands on - conventional or asymetric!!!!!

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Think the point that some of the posts have been hinting towards is that an instructor has to be competant sailing in all conditions in a "safe" manor. Since DIs can cover seamanship skills, they should be able to demonstrate and apply the skills covered in the course to be able to teach them. If someone doesn't know how to sail without a rudder, what chance do they have of teaching it? In the basic instance of teaching Level 1 and 2 courses, not all courses are taught in light-winds. In an ideal world, all courses would be taught in the ideal conditions but most often than not, you don't get them, hence the reason we'd be teaching courses with boats reefed. Although its not taught in the course, instructors were expected to be able to reef affloat at the centre I used to work at due to the weather being very variable and it being a coastal location. When the instructor is aboard the boat teaching, it installs more confidence in the pupil if the instructor is showing high levels of competance as opposed to struggling to sail themselves.

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Yes, I agree

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oooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo!
Jumping on the band wagon from the start there, 2nd post and already got a spine...

Not sure there was any need for that. Unless you've had a personal experience with a cherub sailor and then I'd much rather you posted their real name rather than throwing us all into one group!
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Relax - I'm sure you are all very butch

Actually I would love a Cherub and keep trying to get one but they are a bit thin on the ground here (except for the gorgeous green one in Bloodaxe boats front garden)

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Well I can't speak for us all... eh Stuberry 

I am moving to the Isle of Wight in the summer so when i have a new mast you'll have to come out for a blast!
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 A Cherub - over here - surely not.......I suggest the Merrydown Two day racing "fest" off Ryde - good selection of dinghies and cats, good blasting course but more importantly as much Merrydown cider as you can drink - I left last year with a case in the front of my boat - if you don't like cider it's good for removing old varnish.

Normally first weekend in Sept with attendance from local clubs and some "Alverstockracy" attendees - it is said in hushed tones that one year a Dart sailor was so wasted he went back to Stokes Bay and sailed straight up the beach with no efforts to stop due to being semi conscious - happy days!

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