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    Posted: 02 Feb 06 at 6:21pm
Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by far canal

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Mark....save us.....can we have a spell check please!!!!!


Sadly, this will not compensate for a basic lack of English Grammar and punctuation.

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Originally posted by Hector

- does anyone know how they work out adjustments to Yardsticks?


The Answer is here on the Cherub Website

Basicaly its a three year average, so changes will take three years to work through. Changes don't normally work through a whole class any quicker than that.

and more formally from the RYA at this link


Originally posted by jeffers

There is a movement within the club to change the PY [for the Phantom] to ensure fair racing


Suggest they read the PY documentation above...

The Numbers are therefore an average and thus, particularly with dinghies, may not necessarily be applicable to any one club. Accordingly, a club
should not hesitate to change a Portsmouth Number if, after racing, the listed Portsmouth Number appears to be inequitable


I think you could argue that if a class changes so radically its in effect a new boat they should proactively notify the clubs of that and suggest a revised figure rather than expect to keep the old one. This seems to be the practice of foiler Moth sailors. Doing that is also a lot fairer on those who haven't made the radical change yet.

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Originally posted by jeffers

I have gone for the 'if you can't beat them joint them' and bought a Blaze which will hopefully get me closer to them than I can get in the lighter winds at the moment.

Paul

Now why have you gone and done that?  My experience of sailing Blazes is that they are terrible in light wind.....they're also impossible to tack.  Go the whole hog and buy a Phantom....
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Thanks for the links Jim - very informative.

It tells us "This goes to a committee which so some final sanity checks before the number gets published".

Do you know when this RYA committee meets, and who is on it?

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Hi Hector,

Stuart Cresswell chairs this committee which is known as the RYA Portsmouth Yardstick Advisory Group. He has just  won the 'Prize Letter' in the current edition of Y & Y for an article named 'Over Handicapped', check it out in W.H. Smith's.  Also, if you run Stuart's name and 'RYA' on Google, there are a couple of interesting articles from Scotland about how the system works in practice.  This topic cropped up in another thread a few months ago and I provided similar information.

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Originally posted by Blaze591

Now why have you gone and done that?  My experience of sailing Blazes is that they are terrible in light wind.....they're also impossible to tack.  Go the whole hog and buy a Phantom....



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Originally posted by turnturtle

Hasn't Vareo had a rather favourable change in handicap... heard there's been some uproar in some clubs where the Vareo sailors are now doing far better than previously.

ps small pond winter series, light winds, lots of offwind sailing- Lasers can do well because they're nimble little beasts.


ah yes the manoevreabiliy factor!

tasar  for  quick planing  up wind, mad stuff  on  the 'fetch' and dead down wind  on  short courses for max vmg with  the  crew in the right place- all the way to the wire..


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