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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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I just love re-educating you river folk.. ![]() So now let me start with the obvious question, why was it deemed better to have square sectioned alloy rather than closed alloy tubes? Shall I wait for you to answer or shall I go straight in with the blinking obvious.. No, I think I'll wait come on then 'brain of the medway,' you tell me.. |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Er, square section tubing is a 'closed tube'. The I-beam is an 'open tube', and as such has far lower torsional stiffness - be careful how you attach your loads or it will twist up. Untwisted, true, it does offer a small gain in vertical stiffness/weight, but weighed against the likely increased air drag and, more to the point, as Rupert indicates, the need to wear a full-face helmet, I think I'll be sticking with a conventional boom. That said, I'd rather have an oval section than the common circular section carbon boom, but I guess the latter are cheaper to source.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Well all that may or may not be, but the logic I was applying was the simple fact that they seem to have to use excessively large tubes for the boom to overcome the side flex and a smaller section I beam could be used to do the same thing, be a tad lighter but more important have the kind of surfaces that better loan themselves to having things fixed to them, then again a squared tube could to the same, I just happen to have a thing about I beams and I beam battens that also work quite well.
So an I beam boom in carbon should also work, but Rupert is correct I think I'd sooner head butt a tube or rectangular tube than an I-beam, but then booms really don't need to be as long as they are if the sail were looked at and encompassed a foot batten with clew overhang. |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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It is. What a wasted opportunity. Could have sent you off on a wild goose chase and made your dentist a fortune.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I've seen yachts sailing around with I beam booms big enough to walk on, so it isn't as though the idea isn't out there (and from decades ago), so I suspect it has been rejected rather than not thought of.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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IN carbon? Can't say I've seen many carbon I beams about, carbon doesn't like being wrapped round sharp corners as bicycle frame manufacturers found out during the early stages.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Way before carbon, I think. Could be wrong, though - not kept up to date with yotty stuff.
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mongrel ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 27 Aug 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 304 |
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So why would you want to wrap it around the corners in an I beam then? Also, there looks about double the amount of material in that I beam as the would be of a round tube of a diameter the same as the I beam height.
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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'I' beams are crap in torsion, and your boom actually has to deal with a fair amount of the stuff.
The yacht booms you have seen people walking on are often a carbon torque tube with a U shaped outer skin. The flanges at the top of the 'U' are what the crew walk on and the gap between the opening on the 'U' and the torque tube is where the mainsail is flaked into. At the end of the day the actual size is fairly insignificant, and often having a larger diameter allows you to thin down the section. There is as ever a trade to be done here. |
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