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    Posted: 13 Oct 05 at 9:33am

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Ian29937

Oh, and sorry mate, there are no gaps in the sail numbers.


So the 700 didn't start at sail number 700 like the 400 started at 400 and so on? Amazing then that there were none of those first 700 boats at last year's Nationals... Or have they all fallen to bits?

Jim, most SMOD's don't start at 0 ...

The biggest issue I see is that people use sail numbers as an indication of boats built. In the "good old days" when all boats had measurement certificates issued by the class or RYA then this was correct.

With SMOD's the numbers are under the control of the manufacturer so there is perhaps a temptation to leave a few tactical gaps in the numbers to make the market think there are more boats around than there really is; if you don’t get too greedy with this tactic it is very difficult to prove.

However; after a while the participation rates for your class start to look very low as the “missing” boats never turn up to an event.

I think perhaps the RYA/ISAF has a role to control sail numbers to ensure numbers are meaningful to potential buyers. This of course will never happen.

With the MPS we have chosen to publish our owners database on a public website so our numbers are exposed to public scrutiny. If all SMOD classes did this then they would not be subject to people questioning if there is really that many boats around.

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I can settle this!

I issue sail numbers for all the RS boats.

The class sail number is always progressive, LDC do not skip sail numbers as we pay design royalties based on these numbers and would therefore pay for a number that was not issued. I'm very rigid on this.

Contrary to popular belief, theres no specific reason to start the sail numbers by their class number (200 at 200, 400 at 400, etc), but it does make the identification of a new class easier and more instant. Most of this benefit is gone now, with some of the classes in the 1200+ numbers. The sail number is really only a feature to distinguish each boat and shouldn't necessarily be taken as numbers of boats.

LDC and the RS Class Association are run separately and independently, and so its difficult to accurately be able to publish data on the whereabouts of 1000+ new boats per year in the same way as Rick and team post on the fantastic MPS website. There's certainly no secret to the numbers of boats we supply - we're extremely proud of the success of the classes.

The Tide Ride event was considered a huge success by all those invloved, and highlighted the strength of singlehanded assymetric sailing.  The RS700 sailors were bedazzled by the technique and boat handling of the top Musto Skiff sailors which meant they out sailed them to win the event.

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Originally posted by Riki @ RS

I can settle this!

I issue sail numbers for all the RS boats.

The class sail number is always progressive, LDC do not skip sail numbers as we pay design royalties based on these numbers and would therefore pay for a number that was not issued. I'm very rigid on this.

Contrary to popular belief, theres no specific reason to start the sail numbers by their class number (200 at 200, 400 at 400, etc), but it does make the identification of a new class easier and more instant. Most of this benefit is gone now, with some of the classes in the 1200+ numbers. The sail number is really only a feature to distinguish each boat and shouldn't necessarily be taken as numbers of boats.

LDC and the RS Class Association are run separately and independently, and so its difficult to accurately be able to publish data on the whereabouts of 1000+ new boats per year in the same way as Rick and team post on the fantastic MPS website. There's certainly no secret to the numbers of boats we supply - we're extremely proud of the success of the classes.

The Tide Ride event was considered a huge success by all those invloved, and highlighted the strength of singlehanded assymetric sailing.  The RS700 sailors were bedazzled by the technique and boat handling of the top Musto Skiff sailors which meant they out sailed them to win the event.

Happy Sailing Gents and Ladies

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Riki,

Thanks for clearing that up ...

Just one question; in the Y&Y 2004 racing classes review LDC declared the latest registered sail number for an RS400 as 1227. I believe Y&Y asked for the figures at 01/09/04.

On the 10/07/2004 Gavin Marshall is sailing boat 1241
http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=14016

On the 18/09/2004 Ian Pickard is sailing boat 1240
http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=15026

What am I doing wrong here?

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I remember when I was sailing the Fireball years ago, there were stories about the International association issuing blocks of numbers to the National Associations, some of which never got used or were used out of sequence.  I remember reading a Worlds report and thinking it very strange that the new Australian boats were always several hundred behind the new UK boats.

Similarly, I think there were always issues in some classes with numbers being issued to home builders but never used.

Before anyone takes offence, I'm not having a dig at the Fireball which is a great class that has stood the test of time.  I'm just making the point that there have always been anomalies in numbering even with 'centralised control'.

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Actually that declaration comes from the class association, though they confer with us..

Looks like theres an error somewhere.

RS400 1227 was born 9th Feb 2004

RS400 1240 was born 26th May 2004

RS400 1241 was born 4th June 2004

The latest number as of 1st Sept 2004 was 1247. Perhaps this was a typo..  but theres certainly no knowing cover up or fibing

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Originally posted by Riki @ RS

Perhaps this was a typo.. 

Fair enough ...

Anyone know when does the 2005 Review come out?

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Going back to the suggestion of a multi-class singlehander event, in the late 70s something very similar to the various suggestions did happen. It was called 'Classmaster'.  Invitations were sent to all singlehander classes (maybe only monohulls - can't remember) to send a representative.  Every competitor raced in every boat - after each race competitors hopped from one boat to the next.  In theory a great idea, but very few non-Moth sailors were capable of getting round the course in a Moth!  And the Moth usually got broken quite early on in the proceedings...  Similar probs. with getting the IC round the course too.  The event flourished briefly and then died.
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