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    Posted: 30 Nov 10 at 3:27pm
Following on from the Musto thread I thought I'd challenge the forum knowledge base with a little categorisation of boats and how difficult we view them to sail for someone of shall we say what average ability.

Scale of 1 - 10.

I rated the RS100 4, then I'd put the RS500 at 5, the Blaze at 6, the Alto at 7, with the L3k at 8, Laser/Topper 9, Hobie Cat 10.  Which is about the limit of what I've had a go in over the years

*Edit as per TT's list
1= Most difficult almost bloody impossible, MPS for me and probably Rs600 not that I'd know.
2 = Moth foiler thing (I'm guessing)
3 = RS 800 (only ever crewed it briefly)
4= RS100
5= RS500, 505
6= Blaze
7= Alto, 470
8=L3k
9=Laser/Topper
10= Hobie 14-16


Now this is just how difficult to sail, not sail well enough to win stuff, just to get it round a course in most winds from Bft1 to say 5.


If we got a consensus it could make a meaningful chart for newbies and maybe the rest of us when considering other stuff, like well, where would the Contender sit for example?

My guidelines are stuff like will it stand up on its own if you let go of it, how easy is it to get back into when it tips you out, how often does it just go into irons.. stuff like that.

And we should have no 'oh you're doing it wrong you have to rig it like this..' bollox

Just a basic what it does with minimum input, how easy is it..

It's a sail boat why won't it sail? Should not be a question we have to ask if it's in the 8 9 or 10 section


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Here TT's scale

Originally posted by turnturtle

ooh, interesting scale there... in my experience:

1 - Penny 14 (spent the whole time swimming and fixing it...)
2 - musto skiff / L5000 / 505
3- RS800 / RS600
4- RS300 
5- RS100 / Laser 2 / Fireball / ISO
6- RS Vareo / Laser / 420  
7- Phantom (but hard work) / National 12 (old knacker)
8- Topper / Optimist
10- Hobie Wave


Interesting we're not that far apart although I've no idea what a Penny 14 is, obviously some mofo..
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Neptune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Nov 10 at 3:35pm
I'd rate a 600 as a 2...your really can't stop sailing it - you can slow it down, but you can never really stop or it will just spin round and try and chuck you out.
 
A laser  - something like a 7 in light winds - 4 in BF5 on the sea downwind
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depends on what you mean "easy to sail"...
 
If sinply getting from a-b without washing the sails; or "to get the most out of the boat and sail at the highest level"....
 
Not the same things IMO....
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Of boats I've got reasonable recent time in...

One thing that complicates things is that if you have a top class crew on board then the difficulty of handling any two hander reduces spectacularly.

Int Moth 1
Int Canoe 2 (3 if you avoid F5 and over)
97 rules Cherub 2
Pole kite Cherub 2
RS600 2
84 rig asymmetric Cherub 3
RS300 3
29er 3
RS400 4
Laser 6
Vortex 6 (unless you try "wild thing" downhill!)
Enterprise 7
Topper 10
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Hi Grame you know what a penny 14 is. Think twin wire thing that improved Dan and my swimming.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Nov 10 at 3:58pm

The hardest boat i have ever sailed was a Assy Canoe. Would love to give it a month though.  505 is an easy boat to actually sail, but hard to sail fast. 14's depend on the design i found the Morrison 12 near impossible in a F5 as a crew for a fairly tasty helm. The Solo is not an 'Easy' boat to sail in a blow, they can be a nightmare to gybe in big wind.  The 300 is hard to just jump straight into as is the 600 IMO, but once you have some time onboard it gets easier.

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1- non foiling moth - I swam
2 - RS 700 - only ok in light winds
3 - RS 500/Buzz
4 - RS 400
5 - RS 200
6 - A BIG Gap, not sure what to put
7 - Laser / Stratos / vision etc
8 - Pico / Feva
9 - Wayfarer
10 - Topper

Not done loads of high performance stuff, but
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This is really good, why didn't we think of it earlier?

Criterior Simon is just Easy, get from A to B without washing the sails, A to B being typical say triangle sausage all points of sailing course and without having to have "pro" or "sailing deity" input.

Laser 2000 new one where would that rate 9?
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1 - Penny 14 (spent the entire time swimming and then repacing miles of rope)
2 - 
3- Cherub current rules(I am just far too heavy)
4- B14 (More of an issue with length and the waves at Hythe more like a 6 elsewhere)
5- RS100/RS800
6- 3000/Blaze/Alto (97 rules cherub)
7- Topaz RaceX/RS200/RS400
8- Topaz/ Laser 2000
10- Topper
 
It should probably be noted I crew so my view may be somewhat skewed


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