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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Following on from the Musto thread I thought I'd challenge the forum knowledge base with a little categorisation of boats and how difficult we view them to sail for someone of shall we say what average ability.
Scale of 1 - 10. I rated the RS100 4, then I'd put the RS500 at 5, the Blaze at 6, the Alto at 7, with the L3k at 8, Laser/Topper 9, Hobie Cat 10. Which is about the limit of what I've had a go in over the years *Edit as per TT's list 1= Most difficult almost bloody impossible, MPS for me and probably Rs600 not that I'd know. 2 = Moth foiler thing (I'm guessing) 3 = RS 800 (only ever crewed it briefly) 4= RS100 5= RS500, 505 6= Blaze 7= Alto, 470 8=L3k 9=Laser/Topper 10= Hobie 14-16 Now this is just how difficult to sail, not sail well enough to win stuff, just to get it round a course in most winds from Bft1 to say 5. If we got a consensus it could make a meaningful chart for newbies and maybe the rest of us when considering other stuff, like well, where would the Contender sit for example? My guidelines are stuff like will it stand up on its own if you let go of it, how easy is it to get back into when it tips you out, how often does it just go into irons.. stuff like that. And we should have no 'oh you're doing it wrong you have to rig it like this..' bollox Just a basic what it does with minimum input, how easy is it.. It's a sail boat why won't it sail? Should not be a question we have to ask if it's in the 8 9 or 10 section
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Here TT's scale
Interesting we're not that far apart although I've no idea what a Penny 14 is, obviously some mofo..
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Neptune ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 09 Location: Berkshire United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1314 |
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I'd rate a 600 as a 2...your really can't stop sailing it - you can slow it down, but you can never really stop or it will just spin round and try and chuck you out.
A laser - something like a 7 in light winds - 4 in BF5 on the sea downwind
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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depends on what you mean "easy to sail"...
If sinply getting from a-b without washing the sails; or "to get the most out of the boat and sail at the highest level"....
Not the same things IMO....
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Of boats I've got reasonable recent time in...
One thing that complicates things is that if you have a top class crew on board then the difficulty of handling any two hander reduces spectacularly. Int Moth 1 Int Canoe 2 (3 if you avoid F5 and over) 97 rules Cherub 2 Pole kite Cherub 2 RS600 2 84 rig asymmetric Cherub 3 RS300 3 29er 3 RS400 4 Laser 6 Vortex 6 (unless you try "wild thing" downhill!) Enterprise 7 Topper 10 |
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Andrewst ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 14 Aug 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 129 |
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Hi Grame you know what a penny 14 is. Think twin wire thing that improved Dan and my swimming.
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Merlinboy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3169 |
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The hardest boat i have ever sailed was a Assy Canoe. Would love to give it a month though. 505 is an easy boat to actually sail, but hard to sail fast. 14's depend on the design i found the Morrison 12 near impossible in a F5 as a crew for a fairly tasty helm. The Solo is not an 'Easy' boat to sail in a blow, they can be a nightmare to gybe in big wind. The 300 is hard to just jump straight into as is the 600 IMO, but once you have some time onboard it gets easier. |
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radixon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2407 |
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1- non foiling moth - I swam
2 - RS 700 - only ok in light winds 3 - RS 500/Buzz 4 - RS 400 5 - RS 200 6 - A BIG Gap, not sure what to put 7 - Laser / Stratos / vision etc 8 - Pico / Feva 9 - Wayfarer 10 - Topper Not done loads of high performance stuff, but |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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This is really good, why didn't we think of it earlier?
Criterior Simon is just Easy, get from A to B without washing the sails, A to B being typical say triangle sausage all points of sailing course and without having to have "pro" or "sailing deity" input. Laser 2000 new one where would that rate 9?
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Andrewst ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 14 Aug 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 129 |
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1 - Penny 14 (spent the entire time swimming and then repacing miles of rope)
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3- Cherub current rules(I am just far too heavy)
4- B14 (More of an issue with length and the waves at Hythe more like a 6 elsewhere)
5- RS100/RS800
6- 3000/Blaze/Alto (97 rules cherub)
7- Topaz RaceX/RS200/RS400
8- Topaz/ Laser 2000
10- Topper
It should probably be noted I crew so my view may be somewhat skewed Edited by Andrewst - 30 Nov 10 at 4:04pm |
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