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    Posted: 11 Oct 09 at 3:02pm
Thinking about what Rick said in the Endeavour thread about winners coming from larger fleets, could it not be argued that if you sail in a smaller class, say with open meeting attendance of 10 or so, and nationals under thirty, and you're typically up against the same boats, do your skills stop developing when you reach the top of that fleet?

And would these mean that in some way your skills are only as good, or slightly better than those around you, because once your at the top there's no pressure to develop further?

Clearly there are some classes that demand a built in skill set, such as performance skiffs and singed hander trap boats, where participants have already cut their teeth in other classes, but what about all the smaller fleets?
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I'd say if you usually raced in a fleet of 10; only perhaps 3-4 of those would be good enough to win ... so you'd only need to be good enough to win.

I think to continue to progress in any sport you need to continue to put yourself up against tougher & tougher competiton; same in any sport.

However; many are happy to be a big fish in a small pond.
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While generally larger fleets have better sailors (IMHO) there are some cases where small fleets have the elite - take the Finn, 470, etc (was trying to think of an elite fleet that wasn't olympic, with small turnouts) - (just got it) Illusions....
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And those rubbish sailors they used to get in the Americas Cup: how hard can it be to win an event that rarely ever manages 10 entries?
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I suspect the Americas Cup and Olympic sailors fall into the category of those who have already proved themselves!
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Originally posted by winging it

I suspect the Americas Cup and Olympic sailors fall into the category of those who have already proved themselves!

So are they good enough for the Endeavour Trophy??  Maybe we will never know!!

Changing the thread slightly I would like to see all of the Olympic Team do an Endeavour style event, so that we can see who is the best of the very best...  And by that I mean they all sail against each other.. Then we would have proof whether Iain Percy, Ben Ainslie, et al is the best sailor..



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Originally posted by Jon711

Originally posted by winging it

I suspect the Americas Cup and Olympic sailors fall into the category of those who have already proved themselves!

So are they good enough for the Endeavour Trophy??  Maybe we will never know!!

Changing the thread slightly I would like to see all of the Olympic Team do an Endeavour style event, so that we can see who is the best of the very best...



With the top ten from the real endeavour there.
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Originally posted by Jon711

Originally posted by winging it

I suspect the Americas Cup and Olympic sailors fall into the category of those who have already proved themselves!

So are they good enough for the Endeavour Trophy??  Maybe we will never know!!

Changing the thread slightly I would like to see all of the Olympic Team do an Endeavour style event, so that we can see who is the best of the very best...  And by that I mean they all sail against each other.. Then we would have proof whether Iain Percy, Ben Ainslie, et al is the best sailor..

The more I think about it, what great publicity for the UK Olympic squad. Even may get the BBC interested in that!!!
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I think you can exclude full time pros from this discussion.
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Originally posted by Guest#260

I think you can exclude full time pros from this discussion.

Why, they need to publisice themselves as much, if not more than us mere  mortals.  What is your problam with the pro's.  One of the most satisfying sails I had was beating , one of the pros.  Let's just find out who the best is!!
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