PY numbers for Omega & RS Vision

   Hi,
Can anyone help me with PY numbers for either the Topper Omega or RS Vision.
We will have both boats racing this season, but I can't find any listings for either boats. Even the Manufacturer's haven't responded with any help!!
Thanks in anticipation
Peter Daigneault
Sailing Sec. Eastbourne Sovereign SC

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Dago Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 17 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dago Report Post Quote Reply Topic: PY numbers for Omega & RS Vision Posted: 02 Apr 05 at 9:41am
	Hi, Can anyone help me with PY numbers for either the Topper Omega or RS Vision. We will have both boats racing this season, but I can't find any listings for either boats. Even the Manufacturer's haven't responded with any help!! Thanks in anticipation Peter Daigneault Sailing Sec. Eastbourne Sovereign SC
	Dago RS400

Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 04 Apr 05 at 5:25pm
	All you can do if you have no info, is to start by noting where the boats finish in races, and base the trial number on that (say they finish near the GP14's give them the GP handicap for 3 races till you see how fair it seems, then adjust to what you think seems fair. If one of the Vision sailors used to come near the back in a different class, and is now winning, it would suggest the handicap needs lowering, for instance. Lots of trial and error needed. Then at the end of the year, tell the RYA where you have got to in your returns, so they can give the boat a provisional number for other clubs to try out. Good luck!

Dago Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 17 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dago Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 04 Apr 05 at 5:37pm
	Rupert, Thanks for that, yes we would go along similar lines , but I was hoping others were already racing and have had some rating already tried. Currently we are using 1063 for the Vision, but no-one appears to be raing the Omega - I wonder why!
	Dago RS400

kasey3000 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 06 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 401	Post Options Post Reply Quote kasey3000 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 04 Apr 05 at 7:57pm
	the omega handicap is 1075....with the spinnaker...don't know what it is without tho kasey

Dago Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 17 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dago Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 04 Apr 05 at 8:10pm
	Thanks Kasey, What do you sail, is the boat influenced by tidal conditions? Peter
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kasey3000 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 06 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 401	Post Options Post Reply Quote kasey3000 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Apr 05 at 7:17pm
	I sail at Lakeside SC, Peterborough......no tides as it's inland and quite a small lake. 1075 is the RYA PY number that my friend who sails the omega found...not sure where he got it tho. I sail a Kestrel, laser4000, buzz, solo and RS200.....haven't had a go in the omega yet. Kasey

Dago Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 17 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dago Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Apr 05 at 8:01pm
	Thanks again Kasey. I also heard from Topper today, who also confirm 1075. Looks like we now have numbers for both boats. Regards, Peter
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Adds Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 14 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 126	Post Options Post Reply Quote Adds Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Apr 05 at 10:40am
	i thought the provisional handicap for the vision is also 1075.
	Cheers Dudes

Dago Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 17 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dago Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Apr 05 at 5:45pm
	At present the only yardstick I have been able to obtain, is from another coastal club close to us who is operating on 1063. As yet I have had no feed back from LDC as to any provisional rating. However I would have thought it unlikely to be the same as the Vision is a much faster & lighter boat than the Omega. But I am still waiting to be told different! Thanks & regards, Peter
	Dago RS400

andy_cherub Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 16 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 768	Post Options Post Reply Quote andy_cherub Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 07 Apr 05 at 12:17pm
	Sorry - but why do you want to race an omega? Ive sailed them - you roll tack em, they stall - you try and bear away in a gust - they carry on and fall over! Totally unresponsive and are tanks! no offence - but why not get a laser2, firefly etc?
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